> (1) this isn't an issue for HNCP or babel. It's an issue for browsers.

It's an issue *with* browsers.

> (2) the issue with browser warnings isn't that they are annoying. It's that if
> we train users to click through them when managing the homenet, we are also
> training them to click through them at other times. This creates an attack
> surface in the user that we'd rather not create.

Agreed.  The problem, of course, is not Homenet-specific -- I've got
exactly the same problem with my printer, or with Babelweb.  The problem,
in short, is that HTTP doesn't allow either BTN or TOFU security -- it's
either creartext of CA-based (or big red warning).

I think that Barbara expressed very clearly why the CA model is simply not
adapted to the Homenet.  I don't think we should be complicating the
Homenet protocol stack in order to work around the limitations of the
browser stack.

-- Juliusz

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