Regarding the version/edition question, I have an old recording (on  
vinyl-- remember that??) of the six Brandenburg concertos performed by  
the Academy of St. Martin with Sir Neville conducting. Horn players  
are Barry Tuckwell, and an unnamed second player who I believe was  
Neill (sp?) Sanders.

What is interesting is that all six concertos were extensively  
researched and revised by Prof. Robert Thurston Dart (1921-1971), a  
noted British historian/musicologist/harpsichord player, and are very  
different than any other version I've played, including the trio in  
question. Brilliantly performed on the recording, and very nice to  
listen to as well-- up-tempo, and 'jaunty' in style, with all repeats.  
This set was issued as a "first recording of the original  
version" [quote from the recording's liner notes] and Prof. Dart  
provides his rationale for his revisions in the booklet enclosed with  
the recording. The concertos were originally broadcast on the B.B.C.,  
February 21, 1971, with Sir Neville conducting from the first violin  
chair.

The surprise? This recording also has Tuckwell performing the Second  
Brandenburg on horn. Again, spectacular playing-- and note perfect.

If you can get hold of a copy, it's well worth a listen. Issued by:  
Philips, ser. #6700-045, 2 L.P.'s.

Regards,
martin bender




On 23-Feb-10, at 2:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:

> I think the trouble comes from what types of horns we're playing on  
> more
> than what the notes are.
>
> Bach didn't intend them for the standard F/Bb double horn.
>
> If you play them on an instrument that's closer to the original like  
> a high
> F or Bb horn then the question changes to endurance rather than  
> being able
> to  play the notes.
>
> That's why the descant horns are there. You can even buy high G  
> horns if
> you want.
>
> As a side note, when I had a Bb/bb descant and when people said I was
> cheating I would usually give them the horn and say "You try it".
>
> I don't have that horn anymore though as I never had much of a use  
> for  it.
>
> -William
>
>
> In a message dated 2/23/2010 1:55:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> Quoting  David Thompson:
>
>>
>> Nelson Dalley wrote:
>>> Nobody in  the audience knows the difference when playing
>>> the revised  version
>>
>> Unfortunately, that is not at all true, as witnessed  by the fact  
>> that the
>> original poster clearly noticed this little bit  of cheating going  
>> on -
> and
>> not from a live performance where visual  cues might help, but from a
>> recording they were hearing over the  internet.
>>
>> The reality is that it is very obvious when players  do this - we  
>> CAN hear
>> lines so it is not legitimate to say that it  adds up to the same  
>> result -
>> and honestly I have never understood why  people felt it was either
> kosher or
>> really all the beneficial to do  so.  If you are playing appropriate
>> equipment for Brandenburg 1,  and generally have the technical  
>> command to
> be
>> comfortable performing  the work as a whole, those couple of  
>> octaves will
> not
>> be the greatest  challenges in the work.
>
> Amen, brother!
>
> This lick is a great  example of the difference between playing the
> notes Bach wrote and  playing the music Bach wrote. Besides, if Aubrey
> Brain could play it  as written on a peashooter with a B-flat crook in
> the days before  tape editing, so can anyone else who has any business
> playing the  work in the first place.
>
> Howard Sanner
> Who will never be in the  business of Brandenburg  1
> [email protected]
>
>
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