It was also the theme music for one of the radio
programs of the day, the Bell Telephone Hour or some such. I got sick
and tired of it.
After all these years, I dreaded playing it again, but actually I am
finding new pleasures in it, such as the "muss es sein?" motto from the
Beethoven string quartet. Surprise!
On 4/3/2010 1:28 AM, Ralph Hall wrote:
Hi Richard,
Are we still in the April 1st spoof season or do you really mean
"obscure and unknown"?
I wish I'd had a $ for every time I'd played it rather than each time
I've seen it called the above.
Before I left the UK it was considered, alongside Dvorak 8, a youth
orchestra piece and I have about 8 recordings,
none by "obscure" artists and orchestras.
Nor is it new parts and copies which give turn-over difficulties. I
remember taking scissors into rehearsals to
cut pages in half so that I could turn at a more convenient time than
was given by the publisher.
Easter Greetings to all,
Ralph R. Hall
On 3 Apr 2010, at 08:28, Richard V. West wrote:
My apologies for double posting, but I can't recall which list had a
recent discussion of Dukas' Sorcerer's Apprentice and attendant
problems.
Our orchestra has just begun rehearsals on that obscure and unknown
work, the Franck D minor Symphony :-). The music is "courtesy of
Kalmus"
and I noticed that it was a copy of the original French edition,
notated
just like the Sorcerer's Apprentice (1st and 2nd on the same page). I
also noticed that it has the same lousy, badly placed page turns as
the
Dukas, which was recently discussed on one of the lists.
Looking at it during the first rehearsal and muttering to myself, I
had
an epiphany: it was not the original publisher's fault. My guess is
that
in order to use less paper, or out of sheer carelessness, Kalmus
simply
copied the original parts from the outside rather than inside.
Confused?
What I mean is that if you left the first page blank (probably had the
title on it), and started on the inside left page, with the next
page on
the right facing it when propped on the music stand, the rests would
come in the right place. I recopied the Franck that way and it works
beautifully except for one page turn. Did it on the Dukas, and it
isn't
absolutely perfect (sometimes there's only one bar rest) but it is
certainly more feasible then the Kalmus version.
By the way, I agree about that passage in the Dukas between 49 and 50.
It is truly tough. It took me a lot of work to get it accurately up to
speed. Well...at least up to speed! The second horn was about to
give up
and take up the kazoo.
Apropos echo horn in the Dukas, I'm curious to know how you all do it.
It's relatively rare in the literature, so there aren't a lot of
opportunities to do it. I played it by hand stopping the horn about
3/4
or so to lower the tone a 1/2 step and fingering the passage a 1/2
step
higher to play the written pitch. Are there other ways?
Richard in Seattle
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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:05:01 +0200
From: Ralph Hall <[email protected]>
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Hans,
Point taken, but I am talking about some years ago and with the
permission of the orchestral librarian!
Of course rented parts were sacrosanct.
Easter Greetings, Ralph
On 3 Apr 2010, at 10:59, Hans Pizka wrote:
Ralph,
do you know how much your scissory will cost the orchestra, if the
parts are rented ?
Today it is not a problem, to copy the relevant page (only), to make
an easier page turn.
####################################################################
Am 03.04.2010 um 10:28 schrieb Ralph Hall:
Hi Richard,
Are we still in the April 1st spoof season or do you really mean
"obscure and unknown"?
I wish I'd had a $ for every time I'd played it rather than each time
I've seen it called the above.
Before I left the UK it was considered, alongside Dvorak 8, a youth
orchestra piece and I have about 8 recordings,
none by "obscure" artists and orchestras.
Nor is it new parts and copies which give turn-over difficulties. I
remember taking scissors into rehearsals to
cut pages in half so that I could turn at a more convenient time than
was given by the publisher.
Easter Greetings to all,
Ralph R. Hall
On 3 Apr 2010, at 08:28, Richard V. West wrote:
My apologies for double posting, but I can't recall which list had a
recent discussion of Dukas' Sorcerer's Apprentice and attendant
problems.
Our orchestra has just begun rehearsals on that obscure and unknown
work, the Franck D minor Symphony :-). The music is "courtesy of
Kalmus"
and I noticed that it was a copy of the original French edition,
notated
just like the Sorcerer's Apprentice (1st and 2nd on the same
page). I
also noticed that it has the same lousy, badly placed page turns as
the
Dukas, which was recently discussed on one of the lists.
Looking at it during the first rehearsal and muttering to myself, I
had
an epiphany: it was not the original publisher's fault. My guess is
that
in order to use less paper, or out of sheer carelessness, Kalmus
simply
copied the original parts from the outside rather than inside.
Confused?
What I mean is that if you left the first page blank (probably had
the
title on it), and started on the inside left page, with the next
page on
the right facing it when propped on the music stand, the rests would
come in the right place. I recopied the Franck that way and it works
beautifully except for one page turn. Did it on the Dukas, and it
isn't
absolutely perfect (sometimes there's only one bar rest) but it is
certainly more feasible then the Kalmus version.
By the way, I agree about that passage in the Dukas between 49 and
50.
It is truly tough. It took me a lot of work to get it accurately
up to
speed. Well...at least up to speed! The second horn was about to
give up
and take up the kazoo.
Apropos echo horn in the Dukas, I'm curious to know how you all do
it.
It's relatively rare in the literature, so there aren't a lot of
opportunities to do it. I played it by hand stopping the horn about
3/4
or so to lower the tone a 1/2 step and fingering the passage a 1/2
step
higher to play the written pitch. Are there other ways?
Richard in Seattle
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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 16:30:52 +0000
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Reprint Parts
To: "The Horn List" <[email protected]>
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Greetings Everyone!
As I am awaiting my second service this Easter Morning, I read Ralph and
Hans' back and forth about poor page turns and I thought I would add my 2
cents worth about parts from Luck's. Their parts are quite often bad for
page turns. In fact, I sarcastically call them "Luck's page turns".
Walt Lewis
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From: Ralph Hall <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:05:01
To: The Horn List<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Reprint Parts
Hans,
Point taken, but I am talking about some years ago and with the
permission of the orchestral librarian!
Of course rented parts were sacrosanct.
Easter Greetings, Ralph
On 3 Apr 2010, at 10:59, Hans Pizka wrote:
Ralph,
do you know how much your scissory will cost the orchestra, if the
parts are rented ?
Today it is not a problem, to copy the relevant page (only), to make
an easier page turn.
####################################################################
Am 03.04.2010 um 10:28 schrieb Ralph Hall:
Hi Richard,
Are we still in the April 1st spoof season or do you really mean
"obscure and unknown"?
I wish I'd had a $ for every time I'd played it rather than each time
I've seen it called the above.
Before I left the UK it was considered, alongside Dvorak 8, a youth
orchestra piece and I have about 8 recordings,
none by "obscure" artists and orchestras.
Nor is it new parts and copies which give turn-over difficulties. I
remember taking scissors into rehearsals to
cut pages in half so that I could turn at a more convenient time than
was given by the publisher.
Easter Greetings to all,
Ralph R. Hall
On 3 Apr 2010, at 08:28, Richard V. West wrote:
My apologies for double posting, but I can't recall which list had a
recent discussion of Dukas' Sorcerer's Apprentice and attendant
problems.
Our orchestra has just begun rehearsals on that obscure and unknown
work, the Franck D minor Symphony :-). The music is "courtesy of
Kalmus"
and I noticed that it was a copy of the original French edition,
notated
just like the Sorcerer's Apprentice (1st and 2nd on the same
page). I
also noticed that it has the same lousy, badly placed page turns as
the
Dukas, which was recently discussed on one of the lists.
Looking at it during the first rehearsal and muttering to myself, I
had
an epiphany: it was not the original publisher's fault. My guess is
that
in order to use less paper, or out of sheer carelessness, Kalmus
simply
copied the original parts from the outside rather than inside.
Confused?
What I mean is that if you left the first page blank (probably had
the
title on it), and started on the inside left page, with the next
page on
the right facing it when propped on the music stand, the rests would
come in the right place. I recopied the Franck that way and it works
beautifully except for one page turn. Did it on the Dukas, and it
isn't
absolutely perfect (sometimes there's only one bar rest) but it is
certainly more feasible then the Kalmus version.
By the way, I agree about that passage in the Dukas between 49 and
50.
It is truly tough. It took me a lot of work to get it accurately
up to
speed. Well...at least up to speed! The second horn was about to
give up
and take up the kazoo.
Apropos echo horn in the Dukas, I'm curious to know how you all do
it.
It's relatively rare in the literature, so there aren't a lot of
opportunities to do it. I played it by hand stopping the horn about
3/4
or so to lower the tone a 1/2 step and fingering the passage a 1/2
step
higher to play the written pitch. Are there other ways?
Richard in Seattle
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