Hans you missed my joke :) Milton Milton Kicklighter 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic Retired
________________________________ From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> To: The Horn List <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 9:35:21 AM Subject: Re: [Hornlist] fitting in as part of getting a job Hello Milton, if the second is that good, I can agree, but this is relevant only, if they play together as a duo or if the play as a section together with 3rd & 4rth. But the 2nd will not be able to do anything for the first, when the first plays real first soli without any other horn playing the same time. How can 2nd help at the end of Heldenleben or the opening of the till. Or with Long Call or Short Call in Rhine Journey. Well, a very good 2nd, means a supportive partner, can make the Menuet of Beethoven no.8 or No.22 in Cosi fan tutte or some Brahms sound better, if he or she takes on the first horns skin. Ooops forgot Webers "Freischuetz" & many others. But you are very alone if playing Midsummernights Dream Nocturno, or Tschaik no.5, the Siegfried Calls, Beethoven 6th, but be better with excellent 2nd & 3rd for Eroica or Don Juan. It might also be stated, that even the best 1st horn is not enough to form a good section. Excellent 2nd, 3rd & 4rth are also required to make a superb team. But this was not the question: it is much easier to find a replacement for a 2nd, 3rd or 4rth than to find & get a top 1st to jump in. And real good 1st horns charge their price. I never worked for tariff. Many years ago, Stuttgart opera called me mid morning (just two hours drive away), to save same days "Siegfried" there, playing first act starting at 05:00 PM. & The Long Call. I told them the amount I would charge, which was on the upper limit but never exaggerated. They told me, it were too much. So I responded: "If you will call me again after a while it would cost double, because I would have practised then already !" - Be sure, they hired me the same moment, as they had called me as their last chance anyway. = = = = ======================================================================== Am 13.08.2010 um 15:02 schrieb Milton Kicklighter: > Ok Hans, > > I know I will get jumped on for saying this, but I have always heard > that: > > The job of the 2nd horn is to make the 1st horn sound good. :) > > Milton > Milton Kicklighter > 4th Horn Buffalo Philharmonic > Retired > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Hans Pizka <[email protected]> > To: The Horn List <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 12:46:47 AM > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] fitting in as part of getting a job > > Hello Scott, > > I did not question the quality of a 2nd, 3rd or 4rth player nor did > I talk about > the conductor. > > I talked about the general acceptance & view of the audience: "Did > you notice > the mistake of the horn ?" .... "the horn". > > They never say 2nd or 3rd or 4rth. It is that way. > > And, Scott, let us talk realistic: > > you mentioned higher parts for 3rd horn, well, Mendelssohn, Rossini > & Donizetti > - but what is so special with them ? These solos are nothing more > than simple > calls or simple accompaniments, which were just normal stuff when > written, as > players just used horns pitched that way. > > you mentioned very low parts in the lower horns - but what is so > special with > them ? The first horn has to play down to written c (below 4 ledger > lines) and > in E-flat (Rheingold, Goetterdaemmerung, Heldenleben, etc.etc.). > > you mentioned Copland requiring the 2nd horn climbing up like the > first horn - > what is so special with that. That is part of daily work. > > It seems, you & others have not understood this difference between > Solo & tutti: > > a solo player has to be responsible for the whole section; a solo > player does > not have a solo in all pieces, but plenty solo spots & plenty longer > very exposed solo spots (did you ever play Benj.Brittens opera > "Billy Budd" ??). > A solo horn has to play much more notes in a given piece than anyone > in the > section definitely. Accepted, Mozart & Haydn have the horns as > pairs, mostly. > But the soli, the real soli, are in the first horn. The soli for the > second are > like Kopprasch (Oxford, Cosi fan tutte). > > It is the amount of soli, which counts for the first horn. > > And again, it is much easier to fill a section vacancy than a solo > vacancy, be > it permanent or occasionally. The demand upon the embouchure of a > first horn is > enough from the full time job plus subbing occasionally, so they > often do not > accept offered extra jobs. I talk about the physical & mental > demand. But good > section players (often hindered soloists !!!! as they say !) can > accept more of > these tasks without risking something. A first horn cannot sit in > the studio the > whole morning & afternoon, if Heldenleben or full Rosenkavalier are > on the > program at night, second horns can do it. > > > May-be, the situation in your country is different, as the firsts > use an > assistant, while we do not use an assistant, with exceptions (I used > an > assistant in my last years, when we were on tour & had Heldenleben > in the one > program & Bruckner no.8 in the other, plus other stuff: Chopin piano > concerto, > Don Juan & Four last Songs). > > But I confess, we solo horns never come together with the view of > the tutti > player, but we do not look down upon them never. In contrary, we are > very happy > if we get the right support by them, if they follow our interpretative > intentions, if they "take over our coat of tone colors", if they > just imitate > our phrasings & expression. > > Peace, Scott ! > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at >https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com >m > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [email protected] > unsubscribe or set options at >https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/hpizka%40me.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/kicklighgter%40yahoo.com _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at https://pegasus.memphis.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
