Wait a minute, this cannot be right:

(From a forum I found discussing this subject:)
The speed of a wave (c) is given by multiplying the wavelength and thefrequency 
together (c = l * f) and this can be re-arranged to find thefrequency of the 
sound wave (in other words how high it sounds) (f),thus : "frequency = speed 
divided by wavelength" or f=c/l.

If you have the same wavelength, and the speed changes, then the frequency 
changes. This stands to reason because moving a speaker towards/away from you 
changes the relative speed, and thus the frequency changes. What is frequency 
but the number of times something happens, right? So, with a different speed, 
the rate of frequency MUST change.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but according to this basic function speed of 
sound DOES effect pitch.

As for your examples, at least one is completely wrong:

1) A telephone is not transmitting sound directly. It is converting it to an 
electronic signal, which then gets sent at the speed of light.
2) Sounds underwater have to be corrected and changed in terms of frequency to 
know what they would sound like in air
3) As for the fridge, it all depends on if both the speaker and mic are in the 
same fridge, or if one is outside of a colder body of air and the other is not. 
I'd have to run the experiment myself, but it seems from the math this would 
have some effect although it would be difficult to measure.

Also, you say that only the temperature in the instrument effects frequency, 
but if the speed of sound itself DOES change with air temperature (and this is 
a fact), then the frequency MUST change if the wavelength is the same.

-William

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Haflich <[email protected]>
To: The Horn List <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2011 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Hornlist] offstage brass


[email protected] wrote:

   What the sound has to travel through before getting to the audience
   has a great deal to do with pitch.

You need to think a little more about the above statement.  It is
incorrect.

   Air travels at different speeds
   through different mediums, so thick walls and thick stage matter
   could have a slight effect on when the sound arrives to the audience,
   and how.

The speed at which the sound travels has absolutely no effect on pitch.
You can listen inside a refrigerator.  You can put on scuba gear and
listen underwater.  You can put the sound into a telephone and send it
electronically at essentially the speed of light to loudspeaker on
another continent.  None of this will have and effect on the frequency
when the sound reaches the listener.  It will effect the _delay_ between
source and receiver, but not the frequency of the sound.

   The temperature of the medium affects the pitch as well, so
   it's very well possible that the temperature off stage could be very
   different from on stage, due to hot lights, etc. Every time I can
   remember being under a stage or off stage, it was much colder than on
   stage.

It is only the temperature of the air in the oscillating instrument that
affects frequency.  Once the sound is emitted from the instrument, the
temperature of the medium through which it travels has no effect on
frequency.
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