BRAVO, BRAVO, BRAVO ! But, William, you will get the same number of enemies as 
me, by saying this TRUTH.

And we have to live with mediocre half-truths and many, many people having the 
right connections. 
Also, justice cannot be divided, but is bought sometimes, as is friendship as 
long as you pay.
Absolute justice & real friendship, both very rare.
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Am 15.08.2011 um 20:38 schrieb valkh...@aol.com:

> 
> 
> 
> I agree completely, and I don't think it could have been said better. 
> 
> Perhaps it is the 'new method' of learning, where it is by rote so it is just 
> good enough to past standardized tests? On a related note, in my field of 
> programming, I often come across people with a lot of degrees and who are 
> able to pass through all the right hoops, but cannot think clearly enough to 
> solve problems elegantly, to work well with others, or to develop something 
> that is going to be easy to work with, easy to understand, and easy to fix. 
> 
> True knowledge isn't instant. It takes a lot of time, a lot of work, and a 
> lot of discipline. 
> 
> -William
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hans Pizka <hpi...@me.com>
> To: The Horn List <horn@memphis.edu>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2011 2:26 pm
> Subject: [Hornlist] BE other & related
> 
> 
> If the horn teaching follows the old days method like e.g. Schantl, it might 
> not 
> 
> be enough to arrive at a quality like Thomas Joebstl or Manuel Huber (Vienna 
> 
> Phil). Studying the old way is not that fast as modern ways with learning the 
> 
> fingerings, but you receive a good feeling about the natural pitches 
> whereabouts 
> 
> and for a sound horn tone. It is like learning to read. The old method is 
> 
> slower, much slower, but if you master it, and if you are patient enough, you 
> 
> will start reading fluently much later but be able to read complicate foreign 
> 
> names like "Utztalcoatl" or "Przewalski horse" without difficulties. But: the 
> 
> teacher has to insist that things are learned at 100%, including ALL signs & 
> 
> respecting them, not just forte & piano. All the accents, all the dots, the 
> 
> complete scale of different rhythms, excluding the "off regular track 
> rhythms" 
> 
> for the following three or four years. Not looking for the high notes until 
> 
> commanding the whole compass from G below low c (= concert C) up to written 
> g2 
> 
> (sitting over top line), no higher by no means, commanding also the first 
> scales 
> 
> from 1# to 4#s & 1-flat to four flats. But then higher up to written b-flat2 
> 
> just occasionally & by no means over high c3 or even higher. These 
> stratospheric 
> 
> notes are for the real student in the last year before graduation if at all. 
> If 
> 
> those last mentioned students forget to practice the lower middle & the real 
> low 
> 
> range too, they will produce these severe defects which make such books as BE 
> or 
> 
> others in this field seem being necessary. And being 100% good brings 
> 
> satisfaction for both parties & the audience. Remember regarding programs or 
> 
> pieces: Less is often more, where "less" means "less demanding" & "more" 
> means 
> 
> "more quality".
> 
> 
> 
> If a solid foundation have been laid, the problems will not occur, except 
> 
> through accidents or illness.
> 
> 
> 
> The other source for the defects in the embouchure its the ambition, both by 
> the 
> 
> teacher & by the student. Why 
> 
> starting with Mozarts no.1 concerto, - and study it for weeks & months, 
> because 
> 
> not mature enough for it -, as there is a legion of short & not high pieces 
> for 
> 
> horn & piano to please the embouchure, the student, the teacher & the 
> audience. 
> 
> But what can you do, if teachers have not one cent worth knowledge about this 
> 
> literature.
> 
> 
> 
> Students study Strauss no.1 forth & forth & forth again for up to more than a 
> 
> year & arrive at a school performance frustrated completely, as they hate the 
> 
> piece already. But they do not hate the little new pieces.
> 
> Well, the new pieces might bring disasters first, if ……  See my comment about 
> 
> reading abilities.
> 
> 
> 
> If teachers & students (and parents) would observe the rules of real horn 
> study, 
> 
> the embouchure would be balanced at all times and confusion would be 
> eliminated 
> 
> at first hand. But if the values become inverted, the field for all kind of 
> 
> confusing therapies would be prepared.
> 
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