Rubbish, Hans! You have been "blah"ing (to quote!) about this fingering business for years! It IS NOT "unfair use of the list" to comment on it!
I have no argument with the rest of the posting, so I did not feel any need to refer to it; and by the way, when have I EVER complained about fingering problems? Conscientious practising of difficult fingering sequences is NOT, in my opinion, a "waste of time". Cheers, Graeme Evans (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans Pizka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'The Horn List'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 12:31 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] horn in C# > Blah-blah-blah, dear Graeme, but tell me, why so many horn players, > amateurs & professionals, do complain so often about their fingering > problems ?? Any answer except "they should practice more" ? > > Hammering in the fingerings, what a waste of time ? Wouldn�t it be much > better, to have prepared everything during the first three or four years > of the horn study ? Learning all the scales e.g. by using Josef Schantls > "Great practical & theoretical horn method", this really dry but best > stuff ? And on both sides of the horn !! > > And, why stubbornly staying on the Bb-side, if the F-side would give > more advantage, - for certain things, in a similar way as the Bb-side is > an advantage for other things ? Please, answer to this precisely, but > without the usual polemics. > > And also, take in account, that amateur players, such players without > academic music training (conservatory or music university), do not have > the time "to hammer everything into their brain (fingers)", as they > struggle more with rhythmic, intonation & hitting the right note at the > right time. And not to speak about style here. That is worth another > letter, how to prepare understanding the style & understanding what�s > right & not right in a piece. I will come back soon, to provide some > information how to prepare oneself to musical style and what is not > suited to that task. > > And again, dear Graeme, you just picked out just three sentences from my > letter, but you did NOT comment to the essence of the problem or the > question, which was about "Si # alto" or "C # alto" or "G # alto". > > That is the usual "unfair" use of the list. Picking just one thing, but > avoiding the right answer or statement, so not to provide anything > another member could response in a negative way. > ============================================================ > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Graeme Evans > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:01 AM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] horn in C# > > Hans wrote: > > But if the players involved just know their Bb-fingerings, they will > run > > into BIG SHIT, but that�s their own problem because of their laziness > & > > inadequate training. If Bb-(near exclusive) players have to read up > for > > one sharp (#) for every note, they are in trouble. Players with a > > preference for the F-fingerings do not have this problem. > > I'm sorry but I simply can't agree with this opinion regarding fingering > difficulty. > > I do accept that Bb horn will require more awkward use of the 3rd finger > in > combination, but this is surely a basic skill which is able to be > mastered > with practice. It has been proved time and time again by the players in > brass and military bands, who face regularly fingering challenges rarely > encountered in the horn repertoire. > > I know one euphonium player who can shame many of us by the speed he can > play "Cosi" at, and his facility simply makes nonsense of most horn > fingering problems. He is not particularly unusual in the brass band > movement. They are just used to playing florid parts in awkward keys. > > Fingering facility can certainly be gained with practice, as thousands > of > other brass players round the world have proved. It is simply a matter > of > practice. > > Cheers, > > Graeme Evans > (Principal Horn, Melbourne Symphony Orchestra) > +61 3 9318 0690(H), +61 419 880371(B), +61 3 93180893(Fax) > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans.pizka%40t-online.de > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/graev%40comcen.com.au > > _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] set your options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
