Hello, hornophiles-- I was listening to a performance of the Schumann Horn Konzerstueck and trying not to get depressed about how far I am from ever achieving that level of playing when a thought occurred:
What kind of horn would the first horn, whose part goes up to at least a high "Z", play? A hornette? A picolo horn? Jonathan Yoder (For whom playing an "A" above the staff is a victory) > Send Horn mailing list submissions to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Horn digest..." > > > Please edit replies to include only relevant text. Please DO NOT include the > entire digest in your reply. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Bumblebee and Rudi Mazac (phirsch) > 2. Free CDs and LPs (phirsch) > 3. Cabbage at FermiLab ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 4. Re: Bumblebee and Rudi Mazac (Benno Heinemann) > 5. On Being Cabbaged ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 6. RE: Bumblebee and Rudi Mazac ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 7. Bach Mouthpiece. (Wendell Rider) > 8. Re: Bach Mouthpiece. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 9. silver plating - to Dr.Robert Pyle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 10. Re: Bach Mouthpiece. (Wilbert Kimple) > 11. Re: PHC Cups ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > message: 1 > date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:25:12 -0400 > from: "phirsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Bumblebee and Rudi Mazac > > >date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:34:21 +0800 > >from: "Joe Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >subject: [Hornlist] Flight of the bumblebee > > > >Hi, > >does anyone know of any horn recordings of flight of the bumblebee? if so, > > >who? and wat record label? > >regards, > >jon > > Yes, one, jon (or is it Jon?). > > Rudi Mazac has done number of, mostly self produced and manufactured, CDs. > The only one that has even remotely the appearance of a conventionally > produced CD (other than one consisting entirely of hunting fanfares) is > called "Classics on the French Horn" on the Tyrolis label. It is entirely > schlocky transcriptions of classical hits, some horn related like > Freischuetz hunting chorus and the Tannhauser Pilgrims chorus, but mostly > they are Flight of the bumblebee, Turkish march, Khatchaturian Saber dance, > "Elvira Madigan" Andante, you get the drift? This isn't to say that his > ghastly arrangements (synthesized) and excessive over-the-top double > tonguing don't make for a wonderful "party record". This CD can be gotten > from www.koebl.de (along with several of his other "efforts") at 18-20 Euro > a pop (ouch), plus substantial postage and they don't do charges, so you > have to pay another 15 bucks or so for a wire transfer (ouch again) or just > send cash if you can find a bank that will sell you Euros and you feel > lucky. You may also be able to locate it through jpc.de (probably a cheaper > option if they have it). > > I have all of his recordings that I have been able to find (there are at > least 6 or 7) since I am unable to stay away from "unique" recordings of > horn music, even if unique is sometimes synonymous with "atrocious" or > simply weird. I am not too impressed musically or technically and think he > may be a convert from some other brass instrument. There is, however, > something undeniably "different" about most of his recordings. > > None of his CDs have more than minimal, usually Xeroxed, inserts with no > biographical material at all; maybe Hans knows a bit about him. > > Peter Hirsch > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 2 > date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:31:07 -0400 > from: "phirsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Free CDs and LPs > > > I have a few duplicate copies (store bought by mistake, not home-burned > dupes) of horn related CDs and LPs that I will be willing to send to list > members for the price of postage. If you are interested, reply to me, OFF > LIST and I will send you a list of what they are. I will make a random > drawing if there items that interest more than one person and of course, if > you are an old list acquaintance, the odds just might swing a bit in your > favor. ;+| > > Peter Hirsch > > REPLY TO: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 3 > date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:59:24 EDT > from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subject: [Hornlist] Cabbage at FermiLab > > Joe D is dizzy with excitement at the prospect > of hearing Prof. Cabbage speak and play: > > And then, he said that his tone is rather dark! > I suppose that is in reference to his playing tone, > or what else could it be?!?!? > And so, It would surely (likely) be appropriate for > us all to raise the shades, open the windows, and > see whether the dark tone affects the snow-flakes, > nearby!! > > Can that be so?? > Everone look to see!! > > Play darkly, Mr. Cabbage, and we all will be listening > (looking) for those dark snow flakes!! > > LOL, please! > > ************************** > L all you want, Joe. There are plenty > of flakes on the horn list already, but > there's always room for one more. > > Gotta go, > Cabbage > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 4 > date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 20:42:10 +0200 > from: Benno Heinemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bumblebee and Rudi Mazac > > On 04.10.2004 19:25 Uhr, "phirsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Rudi Mazac has done number of, mostly self produced and manufactured, CDs= > . > > The only one that has even remotely the appearance of a conventionally > > produced CD (other than one consisting entirely of hunting fanfares) is > > called "Classics on the French Horn" on the Tyrolis label. It is entirely= > > > schlocky transcriptions of classical hits, some horn related like > > Freischuetz hunting chorus and the Tannhauser Pilgrims chorus, but mostly= > > > they are Flight of the bumblebee, Turkish march, Khatchaturian Saber danc= > e, > > "Elvira Madigan" Andante, you get the drift......... > > > > >......maybe Hans knows a bit about him. > >=20 > > Peter Hirsch > > > I own a bootleg tape of the aforementioned recording. I think the ensemble > was called French Horn Formation and existed in M=FCnich a few years ago. > A former colleague of mine said he had played a lot with them including on > television. That must have been in the early 80's. > > There is also a recording of Mazac playing the Jiri Pauer concerto and > another concerto for jazz horn and orchestra. Both are technically > impressive, yet somewhat strenuous to me to listen to right through. > > If I remember correctly, Mazac is a real horn player who even used to be > principal horn of the Czech National Opera. (I wonder how much high-F-Horn > he uses!? ) > > I once had the honour to be fired by him ( along with the rest of the > orchestra, although I was first) from a disastrous musical production in > Switzerland which he was directing. > After the first night, (the audience hated it and the critics used some ver= > y > plain words about it) the organisers absconded with the takings which meant= > > that both we, and the replacement orchestra (which had been bussed in from > Eastern Europe for a starvation wage) didn't get paid. > > Never mind. > > I should be very surprised if Prof. Pizka couldn't tell us more about this > interesting man, if he is willing, since to my knowledge they both reside i= > n > or near the same (albeit extremely large) city. > > > > best Wishes, > > > Benno > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 5 > date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:48:45 -0700 (PDT) > from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subject: [Hornlist] On Being Cabbaged > > > subject: [Hornlist] Cabbage Lectures > > > > How many years have you been doing the lectures? Do you know how many > > lectures you have done in total? Would you please share that number with > > us. > > > I have never been to one of the Cabbages' lectures. That may be good or > bad. Being on the Left coast, I do suspect that if there are any untoward > events that occur during his next talk, I'll be far enough away to be > safe. > > I have had the honor (or perhaps the horror, as he might say) of hearing > him play not only the horn, but the kiddie piano as well. One time many > years ago he wrote, directed, produced, and starred in a musical, Fun With > Dick and Jane, in which he gave a good showing of why horn players should > not give up their day jobs. > > I was in the audience holding his clams, all the while wearing my > propeller beanie. You should have seen it spin when he blew the hosaphone! > > > > > (I am being very careful in my wording to avoid being cabbaged) > > Now what fun is that? :) > > Sean > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 6 > date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:54:53 +0200 > from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: RE: [Hornlist] Bumblebee and Rudi Mazac > > Munich is not "that large", just 2,2 mill. In greater Munich incl. the > suburbs & villages in the same district. > > Yes, I knew Rudi Mazac years ago. He also played during the Munich horn > symposium 1989, with his "French Horn Formation".=20 > Rudi was a quit good player, but I hated his sound color (others love it > perhaps) and his often very arrogant attitudes. He did some stage band > jobs in our opera house until we decided not to get him hired again. The > former Symphony Graunke, now called Bayerisches Symphonie Orchester > (doing many concerts, proms in Munich at low ticket prices, very active > in the provinces, survived difficult times without public money support) > fired him also after he acted as principal for few years. > > Prague National Opera, well, must be before his appearance in Munich. I > have no knowledge about this, but anyway, if he was there, then just for > a few years. > > Married to a doctor, he had had the financial support for his jazz > hornist life, where he was quite active & successful for some years. > > He always came up with some obscure plans for some TV productions, but I > have seen none be realised. > > There is a recording of the Brahms Trio with the Czech violin virtuoso > Georg Sumpik, whom I heard with the Sibelius Concerto, which he studied > within 6 weeks to replace a soloist who cancelled the concert (in time). > This was in the very early 1960ies. > > I have no idea what Rudi Mazac is doing now, still playing (?) ...... > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Benno > Heinemann > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 7:42 PM > To: The Horn List > Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bumblebee and Rudi Mazac > > On 04.10.2004 19:25 Uhr, "phirsch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Rudi Mazac has done number of, mostly self produced and manufactured, > CDs. > > The only one that has even remotely the appearance of a conventionally > > produced CD (other than one consisting entirely of hunting fanfares) > is > > called "Classics on the French Horn" on the Tyrolis label. It is > entirely > > schlocky transcriptions of classical hits, some horn related like > > Freischuetz hunting chorus and the Tannhauser Pilgrims chorus, but > mostly > > they are Flight of the bumblebee, Turkish march, Khatchaturian Saber > dance, > > "Elvira Madigan" Andante, you get the drift......... > > > > >......maybe Hans knows a bit about him. > >=20 > > Peter Hirsch > > > I own a bootleg tape of the aforementioned recording. I think the > ensemble > was called French Horn Formation and existed in M=FCnich a few years ago. > A former colleague of mine said he had played a lot with them including > on > television. That must have been in the early 80's. > > There is also a recording of Mazac playing the Jiri Pauer concerto and > another concerto for jazz horn and orchestra. Both are technically > impressive, yet somewhat strenuous to me to listen to right through. > > If I remember correctly, Mazac is a real horn player who even used to be > principal horn of the Czech National Opera. (I wonder how much > high-F-Horn > he uses!? ) > > I once had the honour to be fired by him ( along with the rest of the > orchestra, although I was first) from a disastrous musical production in > Switzerland which he was directing. > After the first night, (the audience hated it and the critics used some > very > plain words about it) the organisers absconded with the takings which > meant > that both we, and the replacement orchestra (which had been bussed in > from > Eastern Europe for a starvation wage) didn't get paid. > > Never mind. > > I should be very surprised if Prof. Pizka couldn't tell us more about > this > interesting man, if he is willing, since to my knowledge they both > reside in > or near the same (albeit extremely large) city. > > > > best Wishes, > > > Benno > > > > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > unsubscribe or set options at > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.de > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 7 > date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:21:11 -0700 > from: Wendell Rider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] Bach Mouthpiece. > > Hi, > I just had an inquiry about a Bach 7S mouthpiece. I've never seen one of > these and can find none around here so could someone tell me what the > difference is between a 7 and a 7S, if any? Email me privately if you want. > Thanks, > -- > Wendell Rider > > For information about my book, "Real World Horn Playing" and the summer > seminar, see http://www.wendellworld.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 8 > date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:35:18 EDT > from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bach Mouthpiece. > > Wendel , > A 7s Bach has their symphonic backbore( which is a little bigger than the > normal 7). > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 9 > date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 12:54:32 +0200 > from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: [Hornlist] silver plating - to Dr.Robert Pyle > > Dear Robert & others on the horn list, > > I have a quite delicate question today: silver plating & its effect on > tone quality > > Fact: I used several of my new Viennese single F horns in the opera. > They were lacquered (very thin, strong & hard lacquer, applied at > relatively moderate temperatures (120 C.), slow warmed up, dried, etc.). > They were fine as long as I played with a reflector behind (wall, etc.). > As soon as we were moved to the right side of the pit, blowing right > into the "sack" below stage, the sound had gone completely & playing > became extremely difficult & power consuming. > > So I decided to de-lacquer the horns, well, things went much better then > (these single horns have a lot less resonating mass than double horns). > But I was not satisfied. > > Liking some special outfit sometimes and after the successful > improvement of my double horns by silver & gold plating, I tried it with > my own brand new Viennese single F (you can "find" it on my home page). > Voila, it worked superbly. This horn has been converted to a bomb or > rocket or both. The sound projection is good at all places. > > What rationale is behind that ? Explanation ? Confirmation ? > > I am most grateful for any serious input to this topic, here on the list > or to my private email or both. > > Kindest greetings from cleaned up Munich after this ugly drink out at > the Octoberfest > > Hans > > Prof.Hans Pizka, Pf.1136 > D-85541 Kirchheim - Germany > Fax: 49 89 903-9414 Phone: 903-9548 > home: www.pizka.de > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 10 > date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 05:05:32 -0700 (PDT) > from: Wilbert Kimple <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > subject: Re: [Hornlist] Bach Mouthpiece. > > > The Bach 7 has a size 16 bore. The 7S has a larger > size 14 bore. The 7S was developed when Bach first > started making horns under its own name, and none > of their original mouthpieces proved satisfactory. > > There is now a Bach 10 and a Bach 10S, also. > > Wilbert in SC > > > > > > > --- Wendell Rider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I just had an inquiry about a Bach 7S mouthpiece. > > I've never seen one of > > these and can find none around here so could > > someone tell me what the > > difference is between a 7 and a 7S, if any? Email > > me privately if you want. > > Thanks, > > -- > > Wendell Rider > > > > For information about my book, "Real World Horn > > Playing" and the summer > > seminar, see http://www.wendellworld.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > unsubscribe or set options at > > > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/wkkimple%40prodigy.net > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > message: 11 > date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 08:15:35 -0700 (PDT) > from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > subject: [Hornlist] Re: PHC Cups > > I've use a PHC 25 cup with a W rim for about 3 years and I wouldn't go > back to a "standard " mouthpice for all the tea in china. Say what you > want about wider cups and rims, but I'm sold. > > I'm thinking of ordering a new 25 cup bored out to a #1 bit. You probably > wouldn't want to use it for an Alex, but on my 8D it moves the heaven and > earth. > > Sean > > > date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:43:50 +0800 > > from: "Joe Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > subject: [Hornlist] PHC Mouthpieces > > > > Hi again, > > does anyone out there use a Paxman Halstead-Chidell mouthpiece? i > > currently > > use a US-2 rim and a 20 cup. however, during a performance, i acidentally > > dropped my mouthpiece and its pretty badly dented. i'm thinking of getting > > a > > new one, and was thinking that i could get some suggestions. any > > recommendations for the cups? > > regards, > > jon > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/listinfo/horn > > End of Horn Digest, Vol 22, Issue 5 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
