Sorry, I read "high "Es" ", but read it in the German way  - late night
after Frau ohne Schatten - , which would mean "Es"  =  E-flat.

How about the end of the first movement ? There is the climax with the
rung over high d up to high e3. And the third movement with the high e3
& several high d3 ? This is from the original.

And regarding second horn: did you ever consider that Schumann had the
two high horns at position 1 & 2 and the two lower horns at position 3 &
4, as later did Anton Bruckner ?

And Richard Strauss did not only compose the symphonic poems, but also
many very, very demanding operas.

Greetings from early morning (7:00 AM after short sleep).

Hans
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> Ooops, oops, Wilbert, I am sorry about your ears.
> This piece goes up to
> high e3 (first & third mov.) and several high c3
> (31) & high d3 (3) are
> part of the first part. 
> 
> Did you tune down your arrangement ? Just a half
> step ?


Hans,

The Arrangement of the Schumann I have was
published by International Music Company in 1968,
(editor unknown) and the last time I performed it
was some three years ago.  No, it has not been
transposed down!!! 

I have the music in front of me now, and, in this
arrangement, I find no high e3s or d3s for the
first part in the first movement.

The third movement does have two e3s, one (with an
optional rest) 19 measures after letter Q, and the
other (with an optional octave down passage) five
measures from the end of the third movement.

At the age of 58, with more than 30 years of first
horn orchestral playing behind me, I feel I am more
than qualified to perform this work, and have
always been able to play the e3s as they appear in
my arrangement.  You may have access to other, more
exact versions, but I do not.  I am not a full time
pro, and not nearly as talented as you are either,
and that does make a difference.  Nor do I have
access to a section the quality of your's - another
consideration.

Also, you may play lots of Strauss, etc., where the
second horn goes to b above the staff, but the last
time we played Strauss in this area was Don Juan,
some five years ago.  Otherwise, my second horn
player seldom goes above a top space g.

Wilbert in SC
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