Hans: It appears that Landon was wrong. Gasp! The Haydn book I was using dates from 1978 and, as you pointed out, Landon must have conflated Antonio Rosetti, the Eszterhazy violinist, with Antonio Rosetti, the composer and contrabassist. This apparently is easy to do since the Harvard Biographical Dictionary of Music (1996 edition) indicates that there were at least 5 musicians with that name. Thanks for pointing out the Rosetti web site. It would be interesting to compare the Haydn attributed double concerto with one that is undoubtedly by Rosetti.
----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Haydn/Rosetti Double Concerto Hello Richard again, you should have a look at the page of the International Rosetti Society at www.rosetti.de , where you can find his extensive biography, which states that he was a enrolled member of the court orchestra & the livrees from 1774 . Robins Landons notes about Rosetti being a violinist at Esterhaz are incorrect & mixed up with another person. The facts do not fit together, even the entry about his deat & last employment at Schwerin Ludwigslust were correct. Sorry Hans =========================================================== -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:09 AM To: The Horn List Subject: Re: [Hornlist] Haydn/Rosetti Double Concerto Hans: You may be right about Rosetti, but Landon lists him as a violinist, based on his Eszterhazy contract, so I went along with his entry (pp77f). He does have Rosetti (I'm sure we're talking about the same guy) leaving Eszterhaza (apparently not willingly) in 1781, subsequently serving in the court of the Prince of Oettingen-Wallerstein, where he rose to be Capellmeister (Kapellmeister). Landon has him dying in Ludwigslust in 1792. Perhaps he played contrabass as well, since most of the players hired by Haydn doubled and tripled on various instruments? Greetings from Seattle where the weather has been cloudless and sunny for the last few days---Gott sei Dank! Richard in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'The Horn List' Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 10:48 PM Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Haydn/Rosetti Double Concerto Hello Richard, Aren�t you mixing up things a bit ? Rosetti was a contrabassist & not a violinist & he was engaged with Oettingen Wallerstein from 1773 until he moved to Ludwigslust-Schwerin a year before his death 1792. And the Haydn Concerto question ? There is a lot of "mixage" by the musicologists. The Steinmuellers (I have a full set of a concert for one horn composed by one of the Steinmuellers) were great virtuosi indeed, but there was also Anton FRANZ (also a acclaimed baryton player) in Haydn�s orchestra. The confusion with the double concerto comes up again & again, due to the Haydn double concerto set in Oettingen-Wallerstein used as the source, as the original manuscript by Haydn was lost when the fire destroyed parts of Esterhazy castle. And due to the fact, that his brother Michael (Haydn) wrote a double concerto also, which was published by Klaas Weelink (KaWe) as of doubtful authorship (Antonio Rosetti) & rather by Michael Haydn. Hoboken quotes the incipit of a Joseph Haydn double concerto, but it does not match with the concerto in question nor with the M.Haydn attributed Rosetti No.II concerto. So the authorship question will remain open. Leave the concerto with Joseph Haydn, nothing speaks against it. There are total five double concertos by Rosetti (one is perhaps by Michael Haydn) Greetings from Munich Hans ============================================================ ============================================================ == -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard V. West Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:06 AM To: The Horn List Subject: [Hornlist] Haydn/Rosetti Double Concerto Kyle: In checking H. C. Robbins Landon, I found the following citation regarding the Rosetti Double Concerto in "Haydn: Chronicle and Works," Volume 2, pp79f. It's in connection with a discussion of the three Steinmueller brothers, whose father was a horn player under Haydn at Eszterhaza. Landon quotes from Cramer's Magazine of 9 July 1784 in regards to a January 24 performance by the brothers (presumably in Hamburg): "One was already prejudiced in these virtuosi's favor, since they have a Haydn for Capellmeister, and was not disappointed; they turned out to be truly virtuosi, genuine connoisseurs of music and its melody and of their instrument. It is rare, very rare, that one can hear such clever men on this instrument at one time...They played a Double Concerto by Rosetti, and one for 3 horns by Hoffmeister..." Interestingly, Haydn himself was godfather to two of the brothers. _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hans%40pizka.d e _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/hornfella%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ post: [email protected] unsubscribe or set options at http://music.memphis.edu/mailman/options/horn/archive%40jab.org
