I believe Bill B. is evaluating this horn as if it were a student 
instrument.  If I buy an "all original" C series 8D, I'd expect it to be "all 
original" because I'd want it to play like a C series. If it's an Olds 
Ambassador and 
"plays fine" so be it.  
    There are some blatant lies in the ad.  "all original" for one.  To 
extend Paul's analogy, if you buy a collector car, "all original" makes it 
worth a 
great deal more.  Parts from another year make the value drop like a stone.  A 
C series 8D certainly qualifies as a collector horn.   "Exceptionally well 
cared for" is another lie.  That horn (the same serial number was mentioned in 
the original sale) was certainly trashed and was rescued from the dead.  Wanna 
take bets on whether that's the original leadpipe?
    You can't tell by looking at a refinished horn what ugly damage has been 
hidden.  "Close enough" dent work is hidden by sanding the suface to hide the 
lumps.  Now you have thin spots.  The refinishers are all hip now to not 
buffing out the name.  That doesn't mean they didn't sand and buff the rest of 
the 
thing half to death.  You can't economically do refinishing any other way 
unless you charge a huge price.  I've got a box full of beautifully refinished 
bells that collapsed and split the first time they got dented because they were 
sanded and buffed so thin.  They sure looked nice though.  I've cursed and 
sworn taking dents out of refinished horns because the sanded over lumps come 
out 
when you run a tool through the inside of the horn.  
    These are the same sellers who have sold so called "Elkhart" 8Ds in the 
past with new Eastlake bells on them.  If you really do good work, you 
shouldn't have to lie.

- Steve Mumford
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