plese check the who-eatlas.org/Africa and europe and emro to check sme rasters to ve used..we developed that trough the VRAM project at WHO..could this be helpfull? i might ask if this couls be added as I was engaged in the project and the methodology is public,y available..if anyone wants to replicate it I think ther would be no problem.. Risk assessments are ke for prepardness awarness and as discussed today at the U GIS for Un meeting it's in many peoplmes mind...I advocate kfor that! roert colombo
Enviat des de l'Ipad de l'Eva, l'Africa i en Robert. El 04/04/2012, a les 19:43, [email protected] va escriure: > Send HOT mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of HOT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > (Kate Chapman) > 2. Re: Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? (Fran Boon) > 3. Re: Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > (Eric Lovell) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:18:58 -0700 > From: Kate Chapman <[email protected]> > To: St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > Message-ID: > <cagn7moo0jjt2xdbgef726jhgz8mjns9cwyeyx1bewmjharo...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi St?phane, > > The issue I see is more that it will depend on the type of hazard data. > OpenStreetMap is usually used to map things that are visible on the > ground. I see it being difficult for some types of hazards to be collected > by the average person (not to say for some types it isn't easier). I'm not > saying it is less relevant to humanitarian actors, I'm saying that it > perhaps is better in another store and to be compared with OpenStreetMap > data. > > People combine data with OSM data all the time. Everything isn't either an > in or out proposition. I think it is important to have relevant and > updatable information in OSM and be able to utilize it with other > information that might be less practical for us to collect. > > -Kate > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:35 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Kate, >> >> I am browsing through inasafe website and it seems indeed pretty >> interesting and relevant for the issues I raised in my first email. >> >> However, I believe that it is complementary rather than conflicting: what >> I would aim at is the possibility to collect hazard data in an >> OSM-compliant format that could, in turn, be used for risk analysis, for >> example with InaSAFE. >> >> I see your point that hazard data (flood-prone areas, recurrent >> landslides, seismic zones...) might need to be located out of the main OSM >> DB, but I would be interested to read whether this opinion is mostly shared >> by other HOT members? What I mean is: is the hazard data really less >> relevant to the humanitarian and to the overall communities than the >> blocked roads, the IDPs locations or the Search and Rescue zones? IMHO, >> they would fall in the same category, so either everything in the main OSM >> DB, or everything out of it. Does that sound silly? >> >> Thanks a lot for replying to me, and looking forward to engage the >> discussion with any other member that would feel interested! >> >> >> St?phane >> -- >> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants >> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein >> >> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason >> enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon >> it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier >> >> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info >> >> Skype: [image: Skype name: marmotte_la_gueuse] >> Tajik mobile phone: +992 934 62 46 62 >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 17:06, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hello St?phane, >>> >>> I don't think it would really make sense to add many of those types of >>> hazards to OpenStreetMap. We've collected information such as areas >>> prone to flooding before but the actual hazard models should probably >>> stay separate. They can be combined with OpenStreetMap information >>> however to create impact models. >>> >>> This is something currently being done by AIFDR and GFDRR with >>> InaSAFE: https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> -Kate >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:14 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I am relatively new to OSM and completely new to Humanitarian OSM but >>>> extremely enthusiastic about both projects and would like to contribute >>> in a >>>> way that I will describe below, and for which I would appreciate your >>>> feedback and ideas. >>>> >>>> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency is >>>> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What >>> strikes me >>>> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural >>>> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis, >>> humanitarian >>>> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides, >>> avalanches >>>> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where roads >>>> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic >>>> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish data >>> is >>>> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake >>> Model >>>> will provide with a more modern version in a few years. >>>> >>>> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is >>> thus >>>> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for >>> natural >>>> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework? >>>> >>>> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of >>>> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple, >>> which is >>>> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a >>> landslide, a >>>> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement" >>> might be >>>> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between >>>> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might or >>>> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been >>> actually >>>> triggered). >>>> >>>> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check >>> with >>>> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to >>> pursue >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot in advance and look forward to reading your comments, >>>> >>>> St?phane >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants >>> malheureux" >>>> -- Albert Einstein >>>> >>>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason >>> enough >>>> in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon it >>> is >>>> the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier >>>> >>>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20120404/95ea63f3/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 19:39:34 +0100 > From: Fran Boon <[email protected]> > To: St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > Message-ID: > <capkzktk6arxj7et3+7vfaco+y7rudgp4i7hjyyc_kawxjcc...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 4 April 2012 15:14, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> wrote: >> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency is >> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What strikes me >> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural >> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis, humanitarian >> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides, avalanches >> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where roads >> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic >> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish data is >> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake Model >> will provide with a more modern version in a few years. >> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is thus >> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for natural >> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework? >> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of >> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple, which is >> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a landslide, a >> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement" might be >> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between >> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might or >> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been actually >> triggered). >> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check with >> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to pursue >> it. > > Hi St?phane, > > I would concur with Kate that within the OSM DB doesn't seem like the > best place to store it, but rather a place where it can be overlaid > with the OSM DB. > > I'd be really interested to see if Sahana would make a good place to > store this data: http://eden.sahanafoundation.org > We don't currently include Hazard data models, but rather just overlay > sources from elsewhere (typically WMS), but we would be very > interested in actually having these within the Sahana database. > I know that the Red Cross are interested in adding this to their > Sahana deployment. > > Thoughts on this approach welcomed :) > > Best Wishes, > Fran. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2012 11:43:01 -0700 > From: Eric Lovell <[email protected]> > To: Kate Chapman <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [HOT] Including natural hazards in the HOSM data model? > Message-ID: > <CANKh64NavYh-fGD=7rj_tibaj4dx-zfzttmjbciohfcy2j9...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > By assuming that the 'average person' is unable to collect relevant hazard > information, are we not claiming that only empirical top-down information > should be considered? Shouldn't place-based knowledge systems be the most > relevant systems for place-based hazards...that is "things that are on the > ground"? Isn't this counter intuitive to initiatives to 'democratize' data? > > I have no input as to whether this type of information should be > incorporated into OSM. I think both Kate and St?phane have valid points. > Just food for thought. > > Best, > > Eric > > On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi St?phane, >> >> The issue I see is more that it will depend on the type of hazard data. >> OpenStreetMap is usually used to map things that are visible on the >> ground. I see it being difficult for some types of hazards to be collected >> by the average person (not to say for some types it isn't easier). I'm not >> saying it is less relevant to humanitarian actors, I'm saying that it >> perhaps is better in another store and to be compared with OpenStreetMap >> data. >> >> People combine data with OSM data all the time. Everything isn't either >> an in or out proposition. I think it is important to have relevant and >> updatable information in OSM and be able to utilize it with other >> information that might be less practical for us to collect. >> >> -Kate >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:35 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Kate, >>> >>> I am browsing through inasafe website and it seems indeed pretty >>> interesting and relevant for the issues I raised in my first email. >>> >>> However, I believe that it is complementary rather than conflicting: what >>> I would aim at is the possibility to collect hazard data in an >>> OSM-compliant format that could, in turn, be used for risk analysis, for >>> example with InaSAFE. >>> >>> I see your point that hazard data (flood-prone areas, recurrent >>> landslides, seismic zones...) might need to be located out of the main OSM >>> DB, but I would be interested to read whether this opinion is mostly shared >>> by other HOT members? What I mean is: is the hazard data really less >>> relevant to the humanitarian and to the overall communities than the >>> blocked roads, the IDPs locations or the Search and Rescue zones? IMHO, >>> they would fall in the same category, so either everything in the main OSM >>> DB, or everything out of it. Does that sound silly? >>> >>> Thanks a lot for replying to me, and looking forward to engage the >>> discussion with any other member that would feel interested! >>> >>> >>> St?phane >>> -- >>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants >>> malheureux" -- Albert Einstein >>> >>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason >>> enough in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon >>> it is the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier >>> >>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info >>> >>> Skype: [image: Skype name: marmotte_la_gueuse] >>> Tajik mobile phone: +992 934 62 46 62 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 17:06, Kate Chapman <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello St?phane, >>>> >>>> I don't think it would really make sense to add many of those types of >>>> hazards to OpenStreetMap. We've collected information such as areas >>>> prone to flooding before but the actual hazard models should probably >>>> stay separate. They can be combined with OpenStreetMap information >>>> however to create impact models. >>>> >>>> This is something currently being done by AIFDR and GFDRR with >>>> InaSAFE: https://github.com/AIFDR/inasafe >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> -Kate >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 7:14 AM, St?phane Henriod <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I am relatively new to OSM and completely new to Humanitarian OSM but >>>>> extremely enthusiastic about both projects and would like to >>>> contribute in a >>>>> way that I will describe below, and for which I would appreciate your >>>>> feedback and ideas. >>>>> >>>>> Most humanitarian actors agree that the best response to an emergency >>>> is >>>>> preparedness, not only in terms of behaviors but also data. What >>>> strikes me >>>>> when I look at HOSM data model is that I don't see anything for natural >>>>> hazard delineation, for example. When responding to a crisis, >>>> humanitarian >>>>> actors might want to know in advance where to expect landslides, >>>> avalanches >>>>> and floods areas (for their own safety but also to "predict" where >>>> roads >>>>> might be blocked or where facilities might have been affected). Seismic >>>>> zonation is something that can be directly included in OSM; oldish >>>> data is >>>>> freely available from the GSHAP project, while the GlobalEarthquake >>>> Model >>>>> will provide with a more modern version in a few years. >>>>> >>>>> My question to the active and experienced members of the community is >>>> thus >>>>> the following: would you see any relevance to develop classes for >>>> natural >>>>> (and man-made?) hazards to be included in HOSM framework? >>>>> >>>>> As we can not expect the communities to have the technical knowledge of >>>>> hazard scientists, the ontology would have to remain quite simple, >>>> which is >>>>> probably ok for humanitarian actors (who cares whether it's a >>>> landslide, a >>>>> rockfall or a debris flow? a general category "earth mass movement" >>>> might be >>>>> sufficient for our purpose). Also, a distinction should be made between >>>>> "usual" events (those that occur relatively frequently but that might >>>> or >>>>> might not be currently triggered) and actual events (that have been >>>> actually >>>>> triggered). >>>>> >>>>> Many challenges ahead but before diving into it, I would like to check >>>> with >>>>> you if this idea has already been discussed and if it makes sense to >>>> pursue >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks a lot in advance and look forward to reading your comments, >>>>> >>>>> St?phane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "Le mot progr?s n'aura aucun sens tant qu'il y aura des enfants >>>> malheureux" >>>>> -- Albert Einstein >>>>> >>>>> "A journey does not need reasons. Before long, it proves to be reason >>>> enough >>>>> in itself. One thinks that one is going to make a journey, yet soon it >>>> is >>>>> the journey that makes or unmakes you." -- Nicolas Bouvier >>>>> >>>>> Photos de voyages, photos de montagne: http://www.henriod.info >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> HOT mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20120404/f17757b9/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > End of HOT Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8 > ********************************** _______________________________________________ HOT mailing list [email protected] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot
