Thanks Kate!

22 apr 2012 kl. 15:19 skrev Kate Chapman:

> Hi Martin,
> 
> It is the same exact satellite shot between the Bing and the Digital
> Globe Imagery that HOT bought.  If you go look at cars on
> intersections they are in the same place.

Ah, you're right. I've been doing some more checking and what got me confused 
was that surrounding the area I'm working on I see buildings that are tagged 
with source=digitalglobe, but that align a lot worse with the Digital Globe 
Imagery than with Bing. I guess these areas need to be fixed then, as the 
source-tagging and alignment don't match.

So, here's a plan for getting it right:

- Add the Digital Globe imagery (guess it will be necessary after all) in 
Potlatch.
- Once a task has been selected, adjust the Bing imagery (using space+drag in 
Potlatch) to align it with the Digital Globe images at zoom level 18.
- Do tracing with the, now aligned, Bing imagery at zoom level 19 (where 
Digital Globe is not available).
- As the offset is based on Digital Globe, tag the traced material with 
"source=digitalglobe".

Holler if I'm not thinking right.

KR, Martin

> I would suggest adjusting the Bing imagery offset if you are going to
> use it, since most of the rest of the tracing happened long before
> high resolution imagery was available of Padang through Bing.  We
> won't have any idea of knowing which is right until there are GPS
> tracks of the area, I don't see that happening anytime very soon.
> 
> If adjusting the offset is too complicated then please use the Digital
> Globe Imagery so it matches up with everything else.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -Kate
> 
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 6:36 AM, Martin Holmgren <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi all!
>> 
>> On May 9th I'll be giving a short introduction to OSM, HOT and mapping using 
>> Potlatch 2 to a group of mostly GIS and IT professionals here in West 
>> Sweden. My idea is to have the participants take tasks in Padang using the 
>> tasking manager and do some tracing of buildings. To me it seems like a 
>> perfect introduction both to OSM and HOT as tracing and tagging buildings 
>> requires a minimum of knowledge about tagging schemes (basically 
>> "building=yes, source=...") and the more complex aspects of the data model.
>> 
>> In my own mapping I have used both the Digital Globe imagery and Bing 
>> Aerials, where I have tried to offset Bing to match the previous traces with 
>> Digital Globe as source. Now, reading the (about two months old) discussion 
>> below, I guess I rather should have either
>> 
>> a) according to Jaakko's view: kept Bing in its original position and used 
>> the source tag to allow for adjustment at a later stage, when we have 
>> background material that is more consistent or
>> b) avoided using Bing altogether, based on Kate's suggestion.
>> 
>> Even if b) would give a more consistent map, I see a couple of problems, 
>> both in general and pertaining to my planned mapping activity:
>> 
>> - the Bing (as opposed to the Digital Globe) imagery is available also on 
>> zoom level 19, which makes it considerably easier to do tracing.
>> - manually adding the Digital Globe images is an extra barrier to getting 
>> going. (ok, in the case of our mapping activity it could be managed, since 
>> they will all be computer savvy)
>> - with Bing imagery available directly in Potlatch there is a risk that 
>> people who either don't use the task manager, or who miss reading the 
>> instructions, do tracing using Bing unknowing of the Digital Globe material.
>> 
>> My question is therefore: is it ok for us to trace using Bing (tagged 
>> "source=Bing Aerial") with no offset, or should we still take the extra step 
>> of configuring the Digital Globe imagery in Potlatch?
>> 
>> I'd love to get this as right as possible before having a group of people do 
>> a lot of tracing, so any suggestions on what approach to take are very 
>> welcome!
>> 
>> Kind regards, Martin
>> 
>> 13 feb 2012 kl. 21:26 skrev Jaakko Helleranta.com:
>> 
>>> This is (one of the) reason(s) I think ppl should use source tag (possibly 
>>> source:geometry) on all mapped objects. .. Makes adjusting easier as one 
>>> can filter with the tag when traces or other more solid information on 
>>> imagery accuracy becomes available.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jaakko
>>> 
>>> Ps. Talking of traces, imagery, and accuracy I think it would be good to 
>>> try to figure out how to partner with various development / humanitarian 
>>> players (and why not private sector players / "even" governments to create 
>>> a "reference trace set" for any area in which we are active in.
>>> I'm trying to figure that out here in Haiti as implied in my msg a few hrs 
>>> ago.
>>> Has some tried to do this somewhere else? .. I remember reading somewhere 
>>> that something along these lines was (one of) the base data set(s) for OSM 
>>> in London in the beginning of the whole OSM project.
>>> 
>>> ------Original Message------
>>> From: Kate Chapman
>>> To: HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team)
>>> Subject: [HOT] Padang Mapping Task
>>> Sent: Feb 13, 2012 14:27
>>> 
>>> Hey All,
>>> 
>>> Just wanted to make you aware there is an offset between the imagery
>>> available in Bing and the imagery we've been using.
>>> 
>>> I think the best thing to do right now is to continue using the
>>> imagery we were using. Eventually when there is more GPS traces
>>> available we might be able to correct.  At the moment though there
>>> isn't a good way of knowing which is best.
>>> 
>>> Also if you run across some buildings that are offset I think it is
>>> best to line them up with the imagery so it is consistent.  If someone
>>> has a better suggestion let me know.
>>> 
>>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/job/9
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -Kate
>>> 
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