I have gone through the blog post. I would like to add a few cases of usefulness of maps in local context e.g what is done and what can be done using maps for transparency and specially helping Governments understand data. e.g people dying from factories accidents in residential areas is very common. what if we enable citizen to report and map factories in residential areas.
similarly, in Pakistan 2x to 3x people dye in road accidents than bomb blasts. this is one area where you can mark places where road accidents occur. plus there can be 100s of implementations for Government, public and private sector needs. We just want to keep under radar on our project and do not want to disclose its status up or running. we just stopped on ground mapping but we are still continuing our project using other means to use mapping data and putting up visualization of what data we already have. happy to speak on skype whatever time suits you best. Thanks, Faisal Chohan TED Senior Fellow | www.ted.com/fellows Disaster and open data mapper | www.pakreport.org Co-Founder | www.BrightSpyre.com Co-Founder | www.cogilent.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Mobile: +1 415 692 7920 Twitter: @faisalchohan Skype: faisalchohan Personal Blog: http://faisalchohan.blogspot.com On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:26 AM, Joseph Reeves <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Alex, all, > > I've gone through your proposed blog post a few times now, it's raised a > few questions / thoughts. Some are about the issue at hand whilst others > relate more to HOT's decision making process. Many of these overlap and I'm > not expecting a detailed reply to the whole thing, but just off the top of > my head: > > This post would fit into the "thought leadership" (that's a phrase I > picked up during previous blog conversations) category of blogging that we > arguably could do more of on the HOT blog and which is potentially a very > powerful output, but.. > > What is HOT's role in this? Obviously we can act as experts in the field, > but should we be doing so? The complete quote from globalintegrity.orgreads > "the > proposed legislation is anachronistic and ill-advised, and those with > influence need to communicate those concerns. That starts with the US > government and international relief organizations operating in Pakistan, > which for all of the complicated equities at stake need to appreciate the > severity of the proposed move and the signals it sends." We, of course, are > not operating in Pakistan, although there was a remote effort during the > 2007 floods [0]. > > Who is the intended audience of the blog post? > > Is this post intended as an FYI, or is it an official HOT statement? If > so.. > > Can we be a bit more constructive with the blog? That probably sounds more > harsh than I mean it to be; I'm wondering, however, if there's a way of > fleshing out the blog post with either our proposals or a set of > hypothetical workarounds. The Indonesia example, for example, is > potentially useful to introduce. > > Who is responsible for these HOT communications? > > Best, Joseph > > > [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2010_07_Pakistan_Floods > > > On 28 November 2012 22:00, Alex Barth <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Ok, I have created a quick blog post here that could go up on HOT. Kate, >> Harry, Faisal and others: could this work? Obviously I don't have >> publishing permissions on hot.osm.org so someone else would have to take >> this and run the last mile with it. Please feel free to change as you see >> fit. My intention was to highlight that this could have a real impact on >> citizen mapping, HOT and OpenStreetMap and that this impact is starting to >> show now. >> >> https://gist.github.com/f657476887f3c84a32b1 >> >> PS: is anybody from HOT talking to OCHA or GFDRR? >> >> On Nov 28, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Faisal Chohan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I agree with the Alex suggestions. I Iike the idea to write about >> enefits of Openstreetmap data in disaster, transparency, business use, >> social issues ( that we are trying to do with sanitation in Rawalpindi), >> fighting corruption etc and then publish this in International and local >> media. We can also take good examples from other countries. I am happy to >> be part of this. >> > >> > We tried to enhance and use Openstreetmap for the first time in >> Pakistan, resisting the use of Google maps that are in much better shape in >> Pakistan than Openstreetmap, but do not provide any Open Data. Google may >> comply with Government of Pakistan laws and then can continue improving its >> maps. But for Opnstreetmap, every individual and group registering with >> GOP will not be possible. Hence, improving and use of the the >> openstreetmap will be very limited after this law and will discourage >> innovation in this domain. >> > >> > On the case of starting the Rawalpindi mapping, I had one personal bad >> experience turned into tragedy in the past and that is one of the personal >> reasons to be careful. But once i have my emotions in control, I am of the >> point of view to accelerate the project instead of stopping it. >> >> Alex Barth >> http://twitter.com/lxbarth >> tel (+1) 202 250 3633 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > >
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