Hi Nicolas,
Taking your comments, Severin's comments and Augustin's comments into
consideration and after getting feedback from the HOT Communications WG
I revised the description of the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team
organization on LinkedIn.
I tried very hard to make sure it described what the HOT organization
does, the role is plays in the larger OSM/HOT community and what its
goals and principles are.
We also updated some of the other items pointed out like founding date.
I know these changes can't address every concern, but I hope they are an
improvement.
Best wishes,
Blake
On 2/12/2015 12:25 PM, nicolas chavent wrote:
Hi Mark,
Thanks for getting back on this thread but the underlying question which
is at steak is about the relevance /tout court/ of a HOT presence in
LinkedIn which seems to be implicit and somehow beyond qestion.
Well there is nothing neutral for the NGO HOT US Inc to be present on
Linkedin, this has been pointed out by Gus in a previous email left
un_answered. Paul in his email was questionning the Company page with
regard to respect of the OSM trademark.
HOT as a project is not a business and HOT as the US NGO incorporated as
HOT US Inc is not a business (for a significant part of its members) and
according to a majority of its members an organization which is not only
working as business.
The Linkedin anchorage by overstressing the company/for business side of
HOT US Inc is not respectful of the hybrid nature of HOT and its use of
business scheme as one of the means towards the achievement of its
mandate : apply the principles and practices of OSM and open source and
open data in the field of Humanitarian action and economic development.
Such decision which has an impact on the image/nature of HOT has to be
discussed into a wider audience than the only Communication Working Group.
Reading through your points in favour of Linkedin, I still fail to see
the gain in audience since after more than 5 years, both the HOT Project
and HOT US Inc (the US NGO) are well established entities not only
within the OpenSource and OpenData communities but truly within the
Hum/Dev actors. The website, the lists and the social media have a real
audience. And specific emails (info@hotosm or individual emails) provide
avenues for groups who won't engage through public lists. All those
tools have proven to establish connection and build relations with an
important ecosystem.
If I fail to see the benefits for HOT on being in Linkedin, I can see
clearly drawbacks in terms of promoting HOT members and contributors of
the HOT communities in the work of the Organization. What comes first,
the engagement in the HOT work (member/community) proven into continued
volunteerism or a solid track records of professionals who did not pay
attention to the HOT project and its supporting organizations after 5
years of action (outreach included).
To a certain extent, the same applies to donors and partners where time,
understanding are key to build trust in relations.
Thanks in advance for your elements about the points above.
Thanks also for your work in the communication group.
++
Nico
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:09 AM, Mark Cupitt <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Hi Sev, have tried to address some of your concerns in line .. below
Cheers
Mark Cupitt
"If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our intelligence"
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On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Severin Menard
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear all,
Sorry for getting back late on this thread.
Linkedin may be a large social media for professionals, what it
has achieved by building its audience by emailing systematically
personal contact lists, what makes it one of the most spamming
site in the OSM talking lists, from my experience of moderator
of a few lists. Therefore Linkedin is not very OSM friendly and
reading the email title, I thought it was again one of these
Linkedin spams slipping through the net from time to time.
Linkedin finally got its point, ha!
I generally turn this off on my LI account. It does have quite good
Opt-Out capabilities on your profile for emails. Open Groups are
often a source of this type of Spam .. I do not think LI emails
would make it through to the HOT lists, and there is no intention of
having any LI auto generated em,ails showing up on this List. I am a
moderator, so will make sore of that :)
I have a few (other) concerns:
1. The description of what is HOT in this page is not very clear
about what HOT is. As a Board member, I must admit we did not
work yet on defining what the HOT project is, what we have
planned to after the HOT in Person meeting but did not take the
time yet to work on it. In IMHO it does not emphasize enough
that HOT the nGO has been created to coordinate and support the
free contribution of hundreds (almost thousands) of volunteers,
that are the core of the HOT project.
Waiting for the communication Group to define. Open to suggestions
and can change at any time. I would suggest that this should mirror
what is on the web site
2. What is exactly the aim of "to reach out and engage with
Humanitarian and Mapping Professionals" with this group. Finding
new people volunteering among the professionals or publishing
positions every time new ones are available? IMHO again, would
be good tfor the two cases to drive the people interested either
to the OSM lists or HOT website. But for the second case, it
would be better to have people volunteering first before
applying to positions
It is intended to be a way to reach an audience we may not already
have contact with. The clear aim is NOT to replicate the HOT List or
anything else, but provide a way for people who may not be part of
the Open Source Community to become aware of what we do, especially
in a Humanitarian context and then join our community. It also may
provide possible avenues for Sponsorship with organizations who have
never heard of HOT, etc
3. Why the Discussion group, where it seems discussions are
planned to be done, rather than simply linking to existing
channels? And this is a closed group (maybe by definition in
Linkedin) so it will not help people volunteering to have a
clear picture of what happens if there is this group with
discussion behind the scenes
Open Groups are very prone to the Spam you mention above. The closed
group is intended to avoid that. It is purely intended to be an
Announce Only group and any questions/discussions will be generally
redirected to the HOT List. Also, in some organizations, mail lists
like the HOT list IRC Channels are not permitted, by corporate
policy, so we still have an opportunity to keep in contact with
people via this Group It is just another avenue that may or may not
be worthwhile. Also, some people are a little shy about asking
initial questions on lists that go to a lot of people, so sometimes
a small venue to encourage them can be useful.
A few minor remarks or questions: I think HOT the NGO has been
officially created in 2010 and not 2012, and do not understand
well the figure of 51-200 employees. Is it the total number of
people that have been contracted since the creation of the
organization?
I just guessed the Number, am totally open to suggestions. I would
guess it could be either Voting Members or All Volunteers. If you
have a figure, let me know will adjust it.
Sincerely,
Severin
On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:42 PM, Mark Cupitt
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Dear All
The Communications Working Group is pleased to announce that
HOT now has a presence on LinkedIn. The objective of this
move is to further promote HOT's work to the professional
and business community world wide and directly engage with
people who may be interested in our activities.
We have two pages, a Company Page and a Discussion Group
The Company Page is designed to showcase HOT, what it is and
highlight key activities that HOT undertakes.
The company page is at
https://www.linkedin.com/company/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team
If you are a LinkedIn Member, please show your support by
following the company page and sharing the page to your contacts
Hot also has a Discussion Group
https://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=6937224&trk=groups_management_edit_group_info-h-dsc
This Group is not intended to replace the main Hot List,
rather it is intended as a mechanism to reach out and engage
with Humanitarian and Mapping Professionals all over the
world as well as promoting HOT Activities and events
Again, please join the group and share it with all your
contacts.
We are excited about this New LinkedIn Presence!
LinkedIn has a reach that extends to millions of
professionals world wide and we look forward to engaging
with people from all over the world and showcasing our work.
Regards
Mark Cupitt
"If we change the world, let it bear the mark of our
intelligence"
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