OK. I will not say anything further on this open forum. On 27 April 2015 at 16:50, Heather Leson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thanks Ralph, Pierre, Nama and Pete. > > Ralph, I think that the process for learning is hard and that our > activation processes do need work. This is why I am so excited that some > people are meeting this week for the Activation Team and then for the HOT > Summit. We will get there. I would only ask that you warmly welcome new > people more. It is hard to learn and your note might have made them feel > not welcome. > > Pierre, Absolutely, we all need to take care. I, too, and starting to feel > the strain of crisis actions. I will share some more about this tomorrow as > I promised myself that I would log off after work, have a meal, and go for > a walk. Health matters. > > Pete, I am not sure this is the time to decide. > > > Nama - I agree that maybe we need to have a validation work around. > Perhaps someone can help on that? Many of you are so very experienced in > this. > > All - HOT is an open community. All of us have different skills and > skill-sets, we come from different cultures and are global. This is what > makes us amazing, and it is also hard. For all the new mappers, please do > read the guides and ask questions on the various channels. There are so > many mappers here. It should always be a safe place to ask a question on > the mailing list or IRC or mumble. This is part of the learning journey. > Yes, we have some changes to make and we will do so, but we are very much > guided by our Code of Conduct and our desire to grow and support people > with maps. > > > > Thank you > > Heather > > Heather Leson > [email protected] > Twitter: HeatherLeson > Blog: textontechs.com > > On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 6:36 PM, Pierre Béland <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ralph, >> >> >> Crisis management, redundance, and yes sometimes frustrating. But we have >> to keep our positive energy after running non stop since saturday morning. >> Crowdsourcing, we evolve from these experiences in context of crisis. >> >> We would surely need a validation process that let's focus on the less >> experienced contributors. >> I wonder if such information could be extracted from the Task manager - >> Tasks completed by contributors less then xx months of experience ?? >> >> Should we have a team of validators that work together and identify ways >> to go on with validation and assure both quick response and quality? >> >> >> Pierre >> >> ------------------------------ >> *De :* AYTOUN RALPH <[email protected]> >> *À :* [email protected] >> *Envoyé le :* Lundi 27 avril 2015 11h25 >> *Objet :* [HOT] AAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRGH! >> >> If I don't scream I will end up tearing my hair out. >> We need to change what we are doing and who we are letting in to do it. >> These Activations in response to a disaster means that people's lives are >> at stake here. I am finding totally inexperienced mappers (some with no >> completed tiles and others with only one or two completed tiles) messing >> around with validating tiles or unlocking already validated tiles and >> working on them. I have a screen shot of Nepal #944 showing 5 validated >> tiles are actively locked. When I checked on the people that were doing >> this they were complete beginners. >> I have had one of the tiles I had completed opened by one of these >> beginners and started adding short little sections of disconnected roads >> (The instructions specifically ask us not to add these) then validating >> this tile, then invalidating it again. >> While I am all in favour of getting new mappers up and going this should >> only be done on the Missing Maps project and not on HOT Activations. It is >> extremely important that we get it right as quickly as possible for those >> people out in the field with injured and dead all around them and lives at >> stake for us to be rechecking already validated tiles because we can no >> longer trust them to be correct or near to correct. >> We have already had complaints about poor quality work in the past and >> this type of activity is not going to get us any better credibility. We >> really need to rethink the "open to all" policy for HOT Activations. >> I am now looking at #944 which shows 63% Validated right now and there is >> two more Validated tiles that are actively locked. >> I no longer trust the Green marked tiles as being checked and cleared. I >> know that the majority of what we are producing will be of some assistance >> in the hills of Nepal but can also imagine the frustration of those people >> with some of the nonsense I have managed to clean up while validating. >> OK. Rant over. I will be sending out messages to all the new mappers I >> have identified asking them to only work on the white tiles and not to open >> any of the orange or green ones until they have a lot more experience. >> Sorry to have interrupted you in the middle of this crisis but felt that >> this needed to be said. >> Ralph (RAytoun) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> >
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