OSM and HOT are volunteer organizations. And we are force to adapt rapidly to
the reality of responses like for Nepal. People with experience to develop such
material either through a wiki page, github or other are welcomed.
With the extent of this response, we organized various support groups to take
care of Imagery, Validation, Imports, Routing, etc. We also have a HOT training
group. People interested to contribute can write
to activation @ hotosm.org. We will follow your contact to the training group.
regard
Pierre
De : Steve Bower <[email protected]>
À : Suzan Reed <[email protected]>
Cc : HOT <[email protected]>
Envoyé le : Jeudi 7 mai 2015 11h06
Objet : Re: [HOT] Missing Maps Training Video Suggestions
A few thoughts on the training materials, from a 2-week OSM user and long-time
GIS user:
I have not yet found the single, systematically organized "portal" for access
to all training materials & events, This would be great to have, and other
training references could point back to it. The closest I have found is the HOT
Training working group, "current sources and
materials":http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Working_groups/Training#Current_Sources_.26_Materials
But, for example, that page does not point to "How to get started contributing
to a HOT task":https://gist.github.com/meetar/b9929dfec129d1d7f5f2
So yes, Suzan, I think organization and production of comprehensive training
material is a great idea - thank you. I think getting the top-down organization
right is key. It seems this would be guided by the HOT Training working group
(is there a general OSM training working group?).
Existing training materials on how to use OSM and the editors is fairly
comprehensive, but somewhat scattered. Multiple sources overlap in the material
they cover. An OSM/HOT training portal would help identify gaps and guide where
new material (including new videos) is needed.
Training on how to interpret features from imagery is minimal. This could
really be expanded, with examples of special cases, especially for poor-quality
imagery where interpretation is difficult. Interpretation issues seem to
dominate a lot of quality concerns and newbie questions.
I don't think it's reasonable to expect new mappers to be able to take "quick
start" training and jump into contributing, at least for those who have not
mapped before. For HOT response in particular, I think the expectation should
be that mappers should expect to invest at least a day of on-line training
before starting to contribute. Yes, that would turn away some mappers, but with
the benefit of fewer quality issues. Yes, you can learn to trace buildings in
far less time, but many mappers soon confront more complex tasks and a better
training foundation would serve them well. (My opinion on this may evolve...)
Cheers,Steve
On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 5:24 AM, Suzan Reed <[email protected]> wrote:
Althio and all.
I don't understand the shared document format, and don't find it an easy place
to express these views, nor do I understand where I could add to it in a
constructive way. That's why I expressed my thoughts here, so that someone who
understands the shared document format could incorporate these thoughts if they
are useful.
I'm sure I"m not the only newbie who has the same exact feelings and thoughts.
We all want to do a good job, we all want concise, well done training that gets
us going quickly, we all want to contribute to a healthy, successful project
that helps people. I hope leadership can find people and resources to make good
training available.
So far, like Spring, I'm a bit confused. Are my hours of work going to do any
good for the people who live in the hundreds of houses I've mapped? I hope so.
Fingers crossed.
All that said, as a designer and writer expert in technical documenting, I
would be happy to help with the production of a comprehensive set of training
tools. Small group, hopefully? I'm also adept at working in a global
environment, cross culturally. Use me if you wish.
Suzan
On May 7, 2015, at 12:44 AM, althio wrote:
Suzan,
As you are interested to help with these 1-min video: please join the
shared document, read it and update it.
> There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the
> individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even
> better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs
> for training materials...
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing
Your other comments (about current training) are certainly valid but
this is not the best thread for that.
Cheers,
- althio
On 7 May 2015 at 09:30, Suzan Reed <[email protected]> wrote:
> Training
> My major problem with the current training, it's long, boring, and slow. A
> Quick Start Guide would be perfect for someone like me. A video with this
> information would be great. I could not go through the training because it
> went too slow, so I missed some information, but found the process for
> someone like me who works in Photoshop pretty easy and intuitive, but I'm not
> a usual newbie.
>
> An orientation video for the area being mapped.
> I don't think many mappers know what buildings in remote areas of Nepal look
> like, or that villages are spread out over a big area, or that paths just end
> and do not connect in rural Nepal. A video with still and moving images I
> believe would be a big help. People could then see buildings are not square,
> built out of piles of rocks, and are often two stories tall with animals
> below and people above. Roofs are tin, or packed earth. If mappers could see
> this I think they would do a better job mapping. The video could also go over
> other details of the project. I'd be willing to help with this.
>
> Mentors
> I have connected with someone who is my mentor and checks my work. Think it
> would be great if every newbie could have a mentor, or a group of mentors to
> submit work to.
>
> Correcting other's work
> We all want to do a good job, but I don't think the training gives the most
> important information up front, i.e. make buildings the right size and square.
>
> I've just deleted and redrawn about 100 buildings that were not square nor
> did they fit on the image footprint. The mappers probably thought a rough
> polygon would let people know a building existed in that spot, but that's not
> what's needed. Same with paths that didn't conform to the image. How to do it
> right would be so helpful if included in the training up front. I don't think
> most people have the patience to go through slow training, or my DVD wouldn't
> have come with a Quick Start Guide!
>
> I'm a Newbie, and I recommend newbies be limited to drawing buildings and
> adding roads and paths. Experts should draw Residential Areas in rural areas
> and note forests and other features. I've corrected hundreds of buildings and
> paths. It's a waste of time and energy for the original mapper and the person
> correcting. We all want to do a good job or we wouldn't be spending hours
> mapping.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Suzan
>
>
> On May 6, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Laura Camellini wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> as I suggested some days ago, I'd like to add these video training (while
> done) to a moodle course, And maybe be able to synch the moodle course
> training with the task manager permission to edit maps.
> Do you think this could help you with your tasks?
>
> Regards,
> LauraC
>
> 2015-05-07 3:16 GMT+02:00 Mhairi O'Hara <[email protected]>:
> Dear Hotties,
>
> Please see the e-mail from Pete Masters from the Missing Maps project:
>
> We are thinking about putting together some video training resources
> for HOT mapping for newbies. No concrete plans yet, just getting some
> thoughts together.
>
> There's a shared doc here, where we're collecting ideas for the
> individual modules. Please feel free to add your thoughts and, even
> better, to encourage newbies to identify where there are most needs
> for training materials...
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Mo82sCLLnP30SsgRO1VIpGxezWcQhAQ_HxEpCEPh89o/edit?usp=sharing
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pete
>
> --
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> Missing Maps Project Coordinator
> +44 7921 781 518
>
> missingmaps.org
>
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> @theMissingMaps
> facebook.com/MissingMapsProject
>
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> Email: [email protected]
> Indonesian Mobile: +62 822 4701 1475
>
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