Hi all,
john whelan schrieb am 28.06.2015 um 15:00:
The problem with email addresses are that when Nepal started up we had several
thousand new mappers in the first few days, if even 5% contacted the email
address the person gets swamped and burns out.
I agree that any direct interaction outside a mapathon venue sounds problematic.
Even if we had a dedicated irc channel then I imagine several people asking
questions at the same time and a few validators trying to sort that out and
answer simultaneously...
Not to forget that if such an option were offered then such a channel would have
to be supervised at specified hours. Would require a roster for validators.
Maperthons, 1093 and 1094 I did quite a bit of validation on these, much of
the initial mapping was done in Maperthons and the quality was uneven.
While validating for projects 831, 833 and 1094 I contacted those contributors
who made systematic errors, I did so either from the comment field in the
tasking manager or through the OSM message system when I felt a longer
explanation possibly with a few images was required. A fraction of them
responded and those who did were grateful for my comments. As I expected, the
quality of their mapping was directly correlated to their experience in terms of
contributions to OSM in general and HOT in particular.
If you put something in the task instructions then people have to read them
and there seems to be a tendency to just map first and read the instructions
afterwards. In African villages highway=pedestrian isn't on the list of
highways for Africa in the wiki. Once you nudge them once or twice there is
far less clean up to do when validating so ideally a tool that showed any new
mapper who has mapped would be very nice but it isn't going to happen
overnight. More validators would be nice but they need to be tactful, have
read the instructions and also have some knowledge and experience. I recall
one of my tiles was bruskly invalidated because I hadn't mapped something that
was not required in the instructions.
People might not be reading instructions but they will have to read the
contribute tab. Maybe something like a clearly visible message "please read the
instructions before you start - if in doubt ask on the mailing list" could help
here.
Another idea which comes to my mind: let contributors have a third choice for
their task. Apart from "Unlock" and "Mark task as done" something which marks
the task as done but calls for more-or-less immediate validation because the
contributor wants feedback about the quality of his work. Such tiles would be
displayed in a different colour and form a priority queue for validation.
This reduces the pressure of a direct interaction but offers newbies a feeling
that they will not be left alone.
Regards
Michael
On 28 June 2015 at 07:35, Dale Kunce <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
John and Susan I love this idea. The Missing Maps projects are generally
really good for new mappers. We could set up a couple of tasks outside a
mapathon just for this purpose.
Would you once a list of people you can contact in the task instructions.
These folks will also be the ones responsible for being the validates and
Mentors
On Sat, Jun 27, 2015, 9:21 PM Suzan Reed <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
John mentors me, and it's been extremely valuable to have him gently
mentioning problems.
Having a list of projects for new people where they can get some
mentoring as they learn to map would be exellent. Being isolated isn't
easy. Being on a team and working with other mappers encourages us to
do more mapping, and it's more interesting and dare I say, fun.
Cheers,
Suzan
On Jun 27, 2015, at 6:11 PM, john whelan wrote:
I normally keep an eye on about three or four projects and validate
any tiles that get marked done on those projects usually within a day
or so and often within an hour or two.
Working like this I find I can gently mention problems to newcomers
and strangely enough the projects get finished off.
Could some one think of a way to have a list of projects that are
validated in this way that newcomers can find easily so they can get a
bit of support and don't feel too isolated. It would need commitment
from someone to validate a project rather than the project manager
adding it to the list.
Yes I understand that Maperthons are wonderful and looking over
someone's shoulder is useful but there are people who find getting to
Maperthons not so convenient and it would be nice to cater to them.
Thanks John
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