I'm liking "check in" & "check out", I feel terminology is more commonly used.
Also ethically the words "start work" doesn't look as good as button vs. "check in". My personal opinion, +1 on "check in" & "check out" *~~~~~~* *Denis Carriere* *GIS Project Manager* *Twitter: @DenisCarriere <https://twitter.com/DenisCarriere/>* *OSM: DenisCarriere <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DenisCarriere>* Email: [email protected] On Sat, Aug 29, 2015 at 4:12 PM, Suzan Reed <[email protected]> wrote: > Would 'start work' and 'stop work' be clear to all people? > > Suzan > Sent from my phone. Please forgive errors. > > > > On August 29, 2015 11:46:55 AM Jarmo Kivekäs <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi! >> >> There has been some related discussion in a github issue[1] about this >> last October. >> >> I rather like the "Stop working on task" alternative that is suggested >> instead of the "Unlock" button in that issue. Especially since currently >> the button to lock a task says "Start mapping". There is more obvious >> connection between start/stop than start/unlock. >> >> Checking in and checking out content is probably a strange concept to >> many. I don't think it's an improvement over locking and unlocking. >> >> "Submit for review" is a definitive improvement over "Mark as done". It >> should be implemented. >> >> I've played around a little and made the changes I like the best in a >> local copy of the tasking manager (screenshot in attachment). I'll >> implement the changes and make a pull request if we come to an agreement. >> >> -- jarmo >> >> [1] https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/401 >> >> On 29.08.2015 05:22, Jim Smith wrote: >> >>> I like the idea of renaming the 'mark as done' button to 'submit for >>> review'. Little tweaks like that can bring clarity to those starting out. >>> Also Suzan suggested that the “lock” “unlock” function be renamed to “Check >>> out” and “check in". That would make a big difference as well. >>> >>> I don't want to be too overenthusiastic but is there any reason not to >>> make those two improvements? If no objection, can they be done soon? >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Martin Dittus [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2015 7:44 AM >>> To: David Toy <[email protected]> >>> Cc: hot <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [HOT] Validation >>> >>> As I’m going through the comments again (here and on my diary post) I’m >>> starting to realise how important it is to give feedback to newcomers. >>> Without it, few people will ever feel confident about their contributions. >>> >>> In many cases it probably doesn’t even need to be feedback from an >>> expert — it could be a comment from someone with similar experience levels. >>> A second pair of eyes. >>> >>> An important part of this is being able to ask someone for a second >>> opinion. At a mapathon that’s easy, but where do remote mappers go? >>> >>> m. >>> >>> >>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 19:00, David Toy <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jarmo. Welcome! >>>> >>>> My introduction/onboarding to HOT was almost identical to Jarmo's - and >>>> I can relate very clearly to all the points he has raised. I suspect that >>>> there are a few more lurkers on this list who will be similar. >>>> >>>> Pierre G's document suggests renaming the 'mark as done' button to >>>> 'submit for review'. >>>> >>>> A simplification of terms / altered workflow would have helped me >>>> initially. Taking the example of the done button, 'submit for review' >>>> implies that: >>>> - a) it's ok to make a mistake getting started - someone will catch >>>> it, and >>>> - b) I should expect feedback >>>> >>>> This helps with Jarmo's first and second scenarios, but also softens >>>> the blow when (your first) task is coldly invalidated with only four >>>> words of explanation. (Validators: that's not a criticism - I >>>> understand the time pressure.) >>>> >>>> Also, not all users will read the docs - while training resources are >>>> useful, these little nudges of understanding help all users - even the new >>>> ones who enthusiastically started but didn't read the instructions. >>>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> On 24 August 2015 at 17:18, Jarmo Kivekäs <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I've been lurking on the mailing list for a while, but I'm still >>>> fairly new to HOT. I though I'd pitch in. >>>> >>>> I definitely recognized myself from Martin's write up as belonging to >>>> the set of contributors who commit changes but don't mark tiles as done. >>>> Below are some reasons why I've not marked tiles as complete in the >>>> past. >>>> >>>> 1. I think part of the reason is that I started out mapping on my own >>>> (I haven't found a local community, nor was I introduced to mapping on >>>> a mapathon). Therefore I haven't been able to just quickly ask someone >>>> advice about something I'm unsure about. In these cases I've usually >>>> left a comment in the tasking manager about whatever I was unsure >>>> about, mapped the rest, but not marked the tile as done. >>>> >>>> Not marking the tile done is me being conservative, I guess. As a new >>>> mapper it is currently difficult to get feedback on the quality of >>>> your mapping, you pretty much needs to actively seek it out. Getting >>>> notifications when there are new comments on tiles you've worked on >>>> would be nice. >>>> >>>> 2. When parts of a region are already mapped (probably form before the >>>> activation was created) but the tiles that are already mapped are not >>>> marked as done. I'm reluctant to mark a grid as done without making >>>> any changes to it, even if it seemingly fills all the criterion for >>>> the task. Especially when the grid has been locked my multiple users >>>> in the past. "They didn't think it was as done, I'm probably missing >>>> something." I realize that this thinking only propagates the problem, >>>> since I'll just be one more user on the list. >>>> >>>> 3. Grids can be pretty large. Sometimes you just don't manage to map >>>> it completely in a short sitting. I know grids can be split, but... >>>> >>>> 4. Sometimes I'll for example only be mapping roads. Doing this will >>>> result in many tiles being checked out and changesets are generated, >>>> but no tiles are actually being finished. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Jarmo >>>> >>>> >>>> On 24.08.2015 16:37, Martin Dittus wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 24 Aug 2015, at 11:22, john whelan <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd also like to see a third option on the tasking manger "I've done >>>>>> some work but not completed the tile could someone review it please." >>>>>> I'd >>>>>> rather catch errors early and some new mappers may not feel confident >>>>>> enough to mark a tile complete. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Considering better workflows for “incomplete” submissions is well >>>>> worthwhile. This week I found that about half of all HOT contributors >>>>> never >>>>> mark their first task as “done” although they contributed edits to the >>>>> map. >>>>> >>>>> I’ve written it up here, with stats and a brief discussion: >>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/dekstop/diary/35649 >>>>> >>>>> m. >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> HOT mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> HOT mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >>> >>> >> >> >> ---------- >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >
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