I was being lazy and didn't want to search through a hundred tutorials to find what was needed. I wanted something fairly quickly to correct someone who was mapping iD fairly quickly and productively but was making classic mistakes that JOSM catches. I gave him some feedback and they seem to have settled down now.
The written one in French works well, its easy to translate to other languages. The mappers I seem to be dealing with first language is not English, French or Spanish so the videos aren't quite so useful. Cheerio John On 3 October 2016 at 15:16, Andrew Wiseman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John, > > There are a number of other tutorial videos here on the HOT Youtube page > that have subtitles in English, Spanish and some in French: > > https://www.youtube.com/user/hotosm/videos > > Andrew > > On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 7:17 AM, john whelan <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The French tutorial is actually very useful. I'm working in the odd >> corners of Africa at the moment. The mappers come from all over the world >> often working in maperthons. >> >> I think my hang up is data quality so I mainly do validation these days. >> I think in the last week I've tagged over a hundred untagged ways or >> area=yes, I wouldn't like to say how many highway=road I've retagged in the >> last week but its in the hundreds. Highway=road unfortunately is the tag >> given to GPS tracks that have been converted into a highway where the >> person who does the conversion doesn't know if there are steps in a >> footpath or if its a motorway. As a result many of routing programs will >> ignore them. >> >> Another problem is new mappers not completing a tile then other new >> mappers coming along behind and copying the first mappers mistakes. >> Because the tile hasn't been completed even if there is a validator on the >> project it doesn't get validated or corrected so the problems get >> compounded. >> >> Actually another problem I'm seeing is all the highways within a >> landuse=residential being tagged highway=residential. Fine until you >> realise that the routing software will try to avoid routing traffic down >> backstreets and suddenly there is no routable path across the town. >> >> So in some parts of the map perhaps 30% or more of the work is ignored >> until its retagged and that's what I'm trying to avoid by finding ways to >> make JOSM easier to use. >> >> Blake's videos are great but unfortunately he speaks with an American >> accent. I find it fairly easy to understand but there are people in the >> world whose first language is English who will have to rewind once or twice >> to catch the words. Accents are regional, believe it or not some people >> even have problems with my English accent. Looking at the mappers I'm >> validating the ones with the most problems are those who use English as a >> second language or even just Bing / Google translate it. The French >> tutorial is much more useful for them as they can cut and paste it into >> Google or Bing translate. >> >> On a side note I'm handholding a Statistics Canada project at the moment >> so any French documentation is very useful to feed back to them. The >> project is about adding data to OpenStreetMap then doing some stats on the >> result. The cultures at Stats and OSM are very different but its coming >> along quite nicely albeit a little slower than their project manager would >> like. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On 2 October 2016 at 04:50, Martin Noblecourt <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> We also have similar tutorial in French (I know, not very helpful here, >>> would it be relevant to translate it?): >>> >>> http://blog.cartong.org/2014/07/24/tuto-digitaliser-sous-ope >>> nstreetmap-avec-le-tasking-manager-et-josm-premiers-pas/ >>> >>> Else the video Blake sent is the best we have I think. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 06:47:42 +0200 >>> From: Blake Girardot <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>> To: john whelan <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [HOT] JOSM for HOT can someone point me at a basic >>> tutorial? >>> Message-ID: >>> <CABmB++QFrwk1XjBLh5PPYd445+TUri0uUUP=ltlgpr0mc8r...@mail.gmail.com> >>> <CABmB++QFrwk1XjBLh5PPYd445+TUri0uUUP=ltlgpr0mc8r...@mail.gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >>> >>> Hi John, >>> >>> Far from perfect, but I believe the "JOSM for iD Users" youtube vids >>> covers most of that (might need one on imagery use in JOSM, hopefully >>> it comes across though): >>> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL54o5PaKgnbKU-vXe11cSmmsxIYnL5oDU >>> >>> Feedback from your friend welcome. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Blake >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 3:19 AM, john whelan <[email protected]> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > So how to install, how to add remote control and building_tool plugin, >>> > how> to map a square building, a highway and a landuse=residential. How >>> > to> select Bing imagery.>> How to toggle the screen ie use the tab key >>> > when you lose the stuff on the> right.>> And finally how to upload. So >>> > setting the token.>> Yes I know about learnOSM but I have a fairly keen >>> > mapper who has been told> that JOSM is too complex which is fine except I >>> > have to clean up after them> with the crossing ways and highways nearly >>> > meeting when they are quite> capable of doing it themselves and I want >>> > something basic not how to map a> relationship because that is not what >>> > most of the HOT stuff is.>> Thanks John>> >>> > _______________________________________________> HOT mailing list> >>> > [email protected]> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot> >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >> > > > -- > > 600,000 DC residents don't have a vote in Congress -- > http://www.dcvote.org/ <http://www.dcvote.org/about/index.cfm> >
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