Oups, Didn't read all your message. I have seen my name but I don't have time for that.
Could you stop to use it as I have no time to cross check what you said. Fred can talk for Fred : ) Just came back from an assessment in Jeremie for the gouvernment. We have huge work to do. So I am right now with the CNIGS and civil protection. In the field we flew drone for planification ( Warehouse, fix the port, damage assessment, etc...) Let me know if you have more UAV resource, For now we have 2 ebee and 3 quadecopter. + Satellite imagery. Drone imagery is useful, we are using it in our NGO to promote technology and use it for local community. Not for the business or the storytelling. Only for operational purpose,... far away from the "Humanitarian circus" or something else. All the best FredM On 09/10/2016 01:58, Dale Kunce wrote:
Hey everyone, First thanks to everyone that has contributed to the base mapping thus far. Many humanitarian groups including the Red Cross, Canadian Military, and the UN. I would much rather be mapping than responding to the copious emails but I wanted to try and end the discussion so we can get back to mapping. There has been a lot of chatter about UAV imagery the disaster imagery charter on the list serve with many accusations flying back and forth. I in my role as the activation lead for Hurricane Matthew, Vice-President of HOT, and GIS Lead for the American Red Cross see no value in trying to coordinate UAV use in Haiti. As has been said by Blake and Cristiano both of whom know more about this subject than I HOT should focus on the things we do best and leave coordination of UAV use and operation to UVAviators. Yes HOT in 2010 was different and HOT members took extraordinary measures to update the map for humanitarians. Due largely to those efforts and later ones in the Philippines, West Africa, Nepal, and many others HOT has become a trusted source of map data immediately following a disaster. Groups like the ones mentioned above have deeply integrated into their work and trust HOT and its amazing volunteers to provide the map data. One of the reasons HOT is trusted is because of our consistency. We provide a very reliable service without causing a lot of drama for the large humanitarian organizations. Throughout my time responding to disasters over the last few years consistency is paramount during large scale disasters. Comparing the airspace and subsequent use of UAVs in Tanzania, during normal "blue skies" times to the crowded chaotic airspace in Haiti shows a lack of basic understanding of the complexity of modern humanitarian operations. If I were empowered, which I'm not even close to being able to do, to simply put someone in a car or on a helicopter and send them into the affected areas I wouldn't. Given the reports from the area from UN, Red Cross, and other NGOs I would send food, water, and shelter kits. HOT has declined to support Fred's effort not because we don't think he has the capability but rather because HOT should and must be consistent in our work. In fact, Fred flies drones professionally and is currently under contract to fly a drone mission in Canaan for American Red Cross prior to Hurricane Matthew, hence he was in Haiti during the storm. We must understand our place during large scale international disasters, we must know the limits of our work, and we must not put the organization at risk without ample time to study and think about those risks. Lastly, as things have changed in disasters in the last few years the need to activate the imagery disaster charter has largely gone away. HOT has fantastic relationships with imagery providers and governments. All are often happy to provide imagery when they are capable of doing so. If you would like to contribute to the current mapping in Haiti please grab a task at http://tasks.hotosm.org On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Cristiano Giovando <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Nicolas, As you well know HOT's strength is in pre-event baseline mapping. We have done some damage assessment and post-disaster mapping in the past, but it's not easy and with controversial results. That being said, I'm sure other responding organizations who request HOT baseline mapping support may still find it useful to have high resolution imagery of post event areas, although limited to the range of a small UAV. I'm not in a position to speak for them. Again - and I'm asking you personally, please - please let's avoid confrontation, insinuations, and bring up past arguments. It's absolutely not the time. If you care about Haiti and HOT, please try to engage with this community with a constructive, positive and humble approach. Long emails take effort and thinking, which now would be much better spent in actually doing (mapping?). Cheers, Cristiano On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 11:55 AM, nicolas chavent <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Blake, > > Yes Fred and the Haitian dronists on the ground have skills and extensive > experience but little resources to keep up their work; this did not prevent > them from doing what they are good at. This can limit the span of their > action at a time where humanitarian actors need local capacities to generate > post disaster UAV imagery as well as satellite imagery to carry out post > disaster needs assessment. Support to their work can span from small > logistics support (rides in UNHAS, helis, plane and cars). This is quite > common to get such support in any sudden onset disaster responses when > GIS/UAV resources (leading to high impact for IM and decision making) > already undersized are rare, too rare. > > When HOT started its first field missions, we were exactly in the same > situation as Fred. Skilled individuals (less experimented though) with > adequate equipment, but with little operational resources. We did good. > Without the above mentioned forms of support, though our impact would have > been limited and the course of action for OMS in Haiti and in other > countries different. > > With the above in mind, it's weird to read that the president of HOT US Inc > stating that the only HOT US Inc support for Fred and this collective of > local Haitian dronists is only a well known list of UAV groups and a pointer > to UN OCHA. That's of no help. > > UAV are used in Tanzania by HOT US Inc in Development and Disaster Risk > Reduction (DRR) contexts [1]. Thanks to multi years of UAV activities in > Haiti, this country is no longer a terra incognita when it comes to drones > and there is no such thing as "UAV missions in disaster zones with > notoriously complicated airspaces" but an area where it's possible to > operate and make the difference we ought to the Haitians and to the Haitians > mappers/dronists who acquired part of their skills via HOT US Inc and OSM > folks. > > Do we have to understand that HOT US Inc will not help with simple > facilitation work with partner relief organizations working in Haiti, some > of those orgs (ARC, MSF etc) having representatives in the membership or the > Board ? > > Given where HOT US Inc comes from and ironically in Haiti, this would mean a > lot in terms of the losses of our operational/organizational ethos and would > raise questions about the reality of support/empowerment schemes to local > communities or possible conflict of interest between members/Board members > of HOT US Inc and other organizations. > > Best, > Nicolas > > [1] : https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania <https://hotosm.org/projects/tanzania> > > On Sat, Oct 8, 2016 at 6:42 PM, Blake Girardot <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Nico, >> >> As you say, you and Fred have extensive experience in Hait and working >> with international partners in Haiti. Fred is actually on the ground >> in Haiti. You and he would be the best to coordinate him flying >> missions. >> >> This is not something HOT does, we do not coordinate or push for UAV >> missions in disaster zones with notoriously complicated airspaces. We >> rely on, and UAV missions need to be handled, by professionals, which >> you and Fred are, so I expect you should be able to handle making the >> proper arrangements and coordinations. >> >> I already suggested who to contact, UAviators, they have coordinated >> UAV missions in disaster zones in the past numerous times in >> conjunction with UN-OCHA. That is HOT's contact, I passed it on to you >> already. >> >> This is all HOT can do, except eagerly anticipate the imagery Fred's >> missions generate. >> >> Regards, >> Blake >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Activation Working Group" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <mailto:activation%[email protected]>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/hotosm.org/d/msgid/activation/CABmB%2B%2BStS%3D8NJWqZH2fhnjMeGmq8cKMip9qkBhBWZucrhhh_Dg%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/a/hotosm.org/d/msgid/activation/CABmB%2B%2BStS%3D8NJWqZH2fhnjMeGmq8cKMip9qkBhBWZucrhhh_Dg%40mail.gmail.com>. > > > > > -- > Nicolas Chavent > Projet OpenStreetMap (OSM) > Projet Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT) > Projet Espace OSM Francophone (EOF) > Mobile (FRA): +33 (0)6 52 40 78 20 <tel:%2B33%20%280%296%2052%2040%2078%2020> > Mobile (CIV): +225 78 12 76 99 <tel:%2B225%2078%2012%2076%2099> > Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Skype: c_nicolas > Twitter: nicolas_chavent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Activation Working Group" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] <mailto:activation%[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/hotosm.org/d/msgid/activation/CAFExRTG65Cm1k1TkQqxv3PB8X3czvPkc5cSKzq4%3D2Oanj%3Dob-Q%40mail.gmail.com <https://groups.google.com/a/hotosm.org/d/msgid/activation/CAFExRTG65Cm1k1TkQqxv3PB8X3czvPkc5cSKzq4%3D2Oanj%3Dob-Q%40mail.gmail.com>. -- Cristiano Giovando Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> http://www.hotosm.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Activation Working Group" group. 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