I think there are technical solutions floating around but it's working out a procedure that is the problem.
Mentally I'd go for extending the internet with Wi-Fi over distance to the local health centre. This I think has been done in South America. 20 kms is doable with a beamed signal. Once there out of hours allow email to and from smartphones. Gmail does store messages on the device then exchange messages when it sees the email server. This can be a email server other than Google by the way. 7z compresses files extremely well. France uses OSM in schools, perhaps build on that approach. osmconvert can be used to chop up osm files so create a sample with that, compress send it out. Get it on a smartphone, add detail, get it back up. This came up out of Mali by the way. I can drop highways in and settlements but for names and detail you need boots on the ground. I spoke to someone locally who is from Mali who couldn't see the value of adding names to the locals until I said Amazon then her eyes widened as the penny dropped. This will be a problem as locals don't realise the value of OSM and the internet until they have gained some experience and they might need some training so piggy back on schools? Fidonet, a precursor to the internet could use floppy disks in the post to get high volumes of messages through sometimes. An another alternative is store and forward. Drop a device on a bus or delivery truck and it offers wifi connection to anything within range. Your messages get carried along to the server at the end of the route. It might be an idea to have a wiki page with the various technical solutions on it. Getting internet to remote locations is interesting. The cost per byte in Mali is one of the highest in the world so it needs 7z in the mix certainly. I think this is where we need someone in the developing countries to step up to the table. They have a better idea of what would work practically and working it all out would be an interesting problem. Cheerio John On Sat, Apr 4, 2020, 2:39 AM Pete Masters, <[email protected]> wrote: > There is also the kobo for Missing Maps tool: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C2ycpdDpOo > > It's less visual, unless used in combination with OSMAnd or maps.me, but > the workflow for getting data into OSM is working... It's not completely > 'without internet' but once the app and form are downloaded, the data > collection can be done completely offline. Does need a small amount of data > to submit the points of interest to the server once they are collected, of > course... > > Pete > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2020 at 2:39 AM Phil Wyatt <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> >> >> There is the Portable OpenStreetMap project but I suspect that needs to >> be well supported by a team of people who know how it all works >> >> >> >> https://github.com/posm/posm >> >> >> >> That may be an option if working in a ‘project’ type environment >> >> >> >> Cheers - Phil >> >> >> >> *From:* john whelan <[email protected]> >> *Sent:* Saturday, 4 April 2020 11:56 AM >> *To:* HOT <[email protected]> >> *Subject:* [HOT] Idle thought time mapping without the Internet >> >> >> >> Can it be done? >> >> >> >> We have a problem with adding names and detail in developing countries. >> So it needs to be cheap and rugged. >> >> >> >> I'm thinking in terms of smartphone for mapping. You need to get data to >> it and from it. >> >> >> >> So step one OsmAndMapCreator and create an OSMAND map. USB stick in the >> post. The USB stick goes into a laptop. Do schools have laptops? Even >> for admin purposes? >> >> >> >> Connect the smartphone to the laptop. Wifi and something like >> network_browser or even a USB cable. >> >> >> >> Edit in osmand. Hopefully someone can think of a way to get the edits >> back to OSM. >> >> >> >> Thoughts? >> >> >> >> Thanks John >> _______________________________________________ >> HOT mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot >> >
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