Kumusta/Hi everyone, Appreciate everyone's help and opinions to keep the conversation going.
I support adopting the current HOT CoC. But which HOT CoC should we adopt? There are two (2) CoCs available as of writing: One that the membership created in 2014 [1], and the other one that the board created in 2017 [2] (which is what is posted on the website). I would also like to share that I personally think that CoC is necessary in all communication channels/forms. CoC can make the channel subscribers/members feel safer and more open (eg to express opinion without intimidation and/or abuse). thanks and regards. =Arnalie [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/2/2f/HOT_Membership_Code--proposal_for_annual_meeting_2014.pdf [2] https://www.hotosm.org/updates/2017-10-30_code_of_conduct On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 7:08 PM <[email protected]> wrote: > Send HOT mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of HOT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Mailing List Code of Conduct (Courtney Clark) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:02:15 -0400 > From: Courtney Clark <[email protected]> > To: Blake Girardot <[email protected]> > Cc: Can Unen <[email protected]>, hot <[email protected]>, > Mikel Maron <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [HOT] Mailing List Code of Conduct > Message-ID: > <CABNEd+tQ-rM5bXbXhxBQ3zF9h+AwZ1iQtB41U6GTe-= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks, Can, and others for keeping this important conversation going. I am > no CoC expert, but I'm inclined to support adopting HOT's CoC for this > mailing list, since everyone on this list has already agreed to follow it > by being involved with HOT. > > I did notice in other CoC's that complaints are handled by the mailing list > moderators. The complaint handling process for HOT's CoC has its own > complaint handling process that can include various Working Groups and HOT > staff. Would it be important to amend the CoC as it applies to this list to > specifically state that complaints will be dealt with by the moderators? > And if so, I'd love to have a better understanding of who moderates the > list with Blake, if anyone, as we may need to have several others sign up > as moderators so that complaints can be handled by a diverse group with > multiple perspectives. > > Thanks, > > Courtney > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:22 AM Blake Girardot <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hola, > > > > Sorry, to be clear: > > > > "Others have forged beyond that and done so anyway, imposed their own > CoC, > > or think they have done so, and just never been challenged on it. " > > > > I mean other OSM list moderators, on other lists, like the diversity > list, > > have their own CoC, or think they do, just because no one has raised an > > issue about it to challenge it. I am on the diversity list, I agree with > > the CoC there, but I do not for a moment think the OSMF would support > > enforcing it if someone objected. > > > > However, the OSMF Email guidelines... those seem to be the only > "official" > > OSMF "CoC" > > > > Best wishes, > > blake > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:09 AM Blake Girardot <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi again Friends, > >> > >> I see, if the question is can we HOT have our own CoC for this list? > >> > >> Years ago the consensus was not really as this email list is maintained > >> and hosted by the OSMF on their resources. > >> > >> Others have forged beyond that and done so anyway, imposed their own > CoC, > >> or think they have done so, and just never been challenged on it. > >> > >> We did not do that here. Here we stuck to OSMF Email guidelines that > were > >> for some other issues, but existed at least. > >> > >> Our need for more CoC has not really come up since that time, but I am > >> all for it. > >> > >> The other solution was HOT starts its own list and this list get renamed > >> and continues on as '[email protected]' and this list goes > >> off, with its own CoC, as a list @hotosm.org > >> > >> Best wishes, > >> blake > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 7:01 AM Blake Girardot <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Friends, > >>> > >>> I have been the main moderator on the HOT list for the past 5 or 6 > years. > >>> > >>> I collaborate with Mikel, but have not really needed to for the past 3 > >>> years or so. > >>> > >>> Is there an issue I am not aware of? > >>> > >>> Best wishes, > >>> Blake > >>> > >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 6:26 AM Can Unen <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Thanks a lot for explaining the background of this discussion Clifford > >>>> and Mikel. > >>>> > >>>> There are five talk lists from the US and four topic-specific lists > >>>> that have adopted a CoC according to the mailing lists wiki [1]. > Eight of > >>>> them have accepted the US Chapter's CoC [2], while the diversity > mailing > >>>> list has a different CoC specified [3]. My personal view is to accept > HOT's > >>>> CoC [4] within this list as well, since it is widely adopted in al > >>>> communication channels of HOT apart from here. > >>>> > >>>> I support Mikel's suggestion of a discussion within the mailing list > to > >>>> decide if a CoC should be adopted in this mailing list; and if so, > what > >>>> should be the governing text. > >>>> > >>>> I will follow up with a poll for the mailing list in the coming days > >>>> for these discussions unless there are objections to me doing so. > >>>> > >>>> Best > >>>> > >>>> Can > >>>> > >>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >>>> [2] > >>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Code_of_Conduct_Committee/OSM_US_Code_of_Conduct > >>>> [3] > >>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct > >>>> [4] https://www.hotosm.org/code-of-conduct > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:06 AM Mikel Maron <[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > A couple of days ago Mikel > >>>>> > >>>>> Actually Clifford asked me because I'm the inactive moderator of this > >>>>> mailing list, and I passed it on for discussion within the HOT > membership. > >>>>> > >>>>> And yes, I don't think request for Board to approve is appropriate at > >>>>> this time. However, the discussion here could be useful for a larger > >>>>> discussion about communications and trust and safety within OSM. > >>>>> > >>>>> -Mikel > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 12:22:35 PM EDT, Clifford Snow < > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 7:45 AM Can Unen <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > Hello everybody, I'm writing to carry a conversation in HOTOSM > >>>>> membership lists to here, hoping to kick-off a discussion and maybe > reach a > >>>>> consensus. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > A couple of days ago Mikel had asked about the governing code of > >>>>> conduct for this mailing list, and the initial thought was to assume > the > >>>>> HOT CoC should be it. But the thing is, this list is operated and > >>>>> maintained by OSMF, and the Community CoC Draft and OSMF > Communication > >>>>> Guidelines seem to cover the mailing list as well, but they seem to > be > >>>>> outdated, and unmaintained for some time. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Do you think a CoC need to be adopted in the mailing list, and how? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > In such case, would a consensus in the list be sufficient for this, > >>>>> or should there be a decision from the OSMF board? > >>>>> > >>>>> Can, > >>>>> I'm on the US Chapter's CoC committee. The Chapter formally adopted a > >>>>> CoC this year. US centric mailing list moderators were invited to > opt in to > >>>>> having their lists covered by the CoC. If you look at wiki [1] you > can see > >>>>> which lists are covered by a CoC with a link back to the CoC. > >>>>> > >>>>> I would encourage HOT to do something similar. It does not need > >>>>> approval from OSMF. Especially since OSMF only has etiquette > guidelines > >>>>> with no means to handle complaints. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best, > >>>>> Clifford > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mailing_lists > >>>>> -- > >>>>> @osm_washington > >>>>> www.snowandsnow.us > >>>>> OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> HOT mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> *H. Can Ünen, Ph.D.* > >>>> Project Manager @Istanbul, TR > >>>> Email: [email protected] > >>>> Skype: canunen > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team > >>>> Using OpenStreetMap for Humanitarian Response & Economic Development > >>>> web <http://hotosm.org/> | twitter <https://twitter.com/hotosm> | > >>>> facebook <https://www.facebook.com/hotosm> | donate > >>>> <http://hotosm.org/donate> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> HOT mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> ---------------------------------------------------- > >>> Blake Girardot > >>> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > >>> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > >>> skype: jblakegirardot > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> ---------------------------------------------------- > >> Blake Girardot > >> OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > >> HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > >> skype: jblakegirardot > >> > > > > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Blake Girardot > > OSM Wiki - https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Bgirardot > > HOTOSM Member - https://hotosm.org/users/blake_girardot > > skype: jblakegirardot > > _______________________________________________ > > HOT mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > > > -- > > Courtney Clark, MBA > > Pronouns: She/Her/Hers > > Cell: 231-740-9595 | Email: [email protected] > > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/courtney-clark-08297410/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/hot/attachments/20201022/52a8f148/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > HOT mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/hot > > > ------------------------------ > > End of HOT Digest, Vol 128, Issue 12 > ************************************ >
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