I thought they were just taking the drug dealer approach. First hit is free, but after that ....
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Kier Simmons <[email protected]>wrote: > Like anything in business you sacrifice quality for a lower price. > > > > > Kier Simmons > Analyst/Programmer > <http://www.giveblood.org/> > > Phone: > > 713-791-6619 > > Toll Free: > > 1-888-482-5663 > > Fax: > > 713-791-6681 > > www.giveblood.org > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Aaron Rouse > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:25 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [houcfug] Re: Help with an issue > > > > Yeah just a shame that the price tag on Oracle and CF Enterprise(if you > want out of the box datadirect drivers) is rather steep for some. We are > being pushed slowly towards SQL Server because MS gave a bunch of licenses > for it and makes the cost of Oracle all the sudden seem like a huge waste of > money to the higher ups. Have to love MS's approach, make the first uses > free then once they are sunk in charge them a lot. > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Kier Simmons <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I'm not a fan of SISS or 2005 or Microsoft in general as they seem to find > ways to increase development time and frustrate developers with each new > incarnation of their development environments. This is why I love me some > ColdFusion and Oracle. Luckily our Oracle DBA is part of the development > team unlike the DBAs for our SQL servers 2000 and 2005 which is really just > part of their broader LAN admin role. > > > > > Kier Simmons > Analyst/Programmer > <http://www.giveblood.org/> > > Phone: > > 713-791-6619 > > Toll Free: > > 1-888-482-5663 > > Fax: > > 713-791-6681 > > www.giveblood.org > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Aaron Rouse > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:07 AM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [houcfug] Re: Help with an issue > > > > I am always a little surprised to see people using DTS still with SISS out > there. Then of course every time I have to do something on the few projects > I am using MSSQL with then I tend to gripe at SISS and wondering why did it > have to get so overcomplicated for what I am wanting to do. :) > > > > At one point in time we had to actually provide SQL scripts to our DBAs to > do anything at all in our projects that used Oracle. The only thing the DBA > did, in regards to each application, was create the username and password > then ran the SQL scripts for us in the production environment. If a script > failed all you got back was a note saying it failed with maybe the Oracle > error. Now days it has "improved" we just run the scripts ourselves in the > production environment. > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Kier Simmons <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Stored procedures are great as you don't have to alter your ColdFusion code > at all when you want to update how something is processed (database wise) in > your system. They are also great for importing data from other systems using > things like DTS packages since all of the control logic for creating and > updating records in your system are stored at the database level. Of course > one could argue that importing data via XML and web services is a superior > method. > > > > Our DBAs don't write SQL. At least not for the applications and systems we > develop. We will have them create the database on one of our servers in > order to setup all of the maintenance routines they like, but the full > database design is at the Analyst / Programmers disposal because design of > tables, functions, and stored procedures are at our level and not an > administrative level. The Administrator part of a DBAs title seems to imply > that he will administer your database instead of providing a means of > slowing down your progress like a government level paper work style > administrator, heh. > > > > > Kier Simmons > Analyst/Programmer > <http://www.giveblood.org/> > > Phone: > > 713-791-6619 > > Toll Free: > > 1-888-482-5663 > > Fax: > > 713-791-6681 > > www.giveblood.org > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On > Behalf Of *Aaron Rouse > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:15 AM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* [houcfug] Re: Help with an issue > > > > I have worked with a lot of Oracle DBAs over the years and not to toot my > own horn but I can say with 100% confidence that I wrote far better SQL than > any one of them were capable of. I am sure there are ones that are tons > better than I, but my experience thus far has been that the DBAs are good at > keeping the databases up and going but not good at all at writing SQL. > > On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:01 AM, Robert L. Stewart < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Shane, > > Sounds like you have had bad experiences with DBA's. I am sorry about that, > but, doing stored procedures is the better way to go. Yes, it is sometimes > faster to circumvent going through the DBA. if there is one, for things. > But, > they are a specialist like you are for CF. Generally, they can write better > SQL that you or another CF programmer. It is their job. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > This e-mail message and any files transmitted with it are confidential > and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which > they are addressed. 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