I think it could help to encourage people to contribute shows, if they knew approximately X people would download them.
5150 On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 2:00 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Hpr mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Hpr digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. We should publish the HPR downloads stats (in some form) > ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Should we publish the HPR downloads stats ? > ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:31:07 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Hpr] We should publish the HPR downloads stats (in some > form) > Message-ID: <17753966.BmAovvos9Y@squirrel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Monday, June 02, 2014 01:38:26 PM Ken Fallon wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Should we include the number of downloads an episode gets on the website ? >> >> Some points to note: >> - The logs are generated every month so it would be from month to month. >> - hits are defined as 1 download per show per ip per day. >> >> We don't have any logs before Sep-2010 so do we >> a) ignore shows before that date even though they have been downloaded >> since then ? >> b) calculate some guesstimate for a base and add the downloads we do >> know about. >> >> My own main objection to doing this is that downloads are not a measure >> of worth of the show. >> >> Discuss. > > I would suggest yes, though that's partly because I tend to always lean > towards having more information more readily available for just about any > context anyway. I'd even be interested in seeing both "downloaded" and > "listened from the web page" if it's possible to meaningfully estimate this > distinction. (I would assume both would show up in a total count of the log > anyway, but I'm not sure how feasible it would be to track those separately > unless we can assume a useful majority of downloaders send a "referer" > header.) > > If not directly on the website, I would be very interested in having some way > to examine that information myself (i.e. if we don't want to put the number on > each episode's page, it would be nice to at least have downloads-per-episode > data updated regularly and posted somewhere for download and examination). > The more detailed, the better (it would be interesting to see if some shows > have a "spike" in downloads sometime after release due to being mentioned > somewhere else, for example). > > I'd hypothesize that the main drivers of initial downloads would be the > apparent subject (as expressed by the title), followed by the show notes. > ("Show Quality" can only affect downloads from referrals after release, since > you obviously have to download it to find out what the quality is like). > > Having the data would (I further hypothesize) help a lot with "marketing" of > HPR by helping me and anyone else who's interested to figure out what kinds of > titles and what kinds of show-note information makes a show more likely to be > downloaded (plus what kinds of topics attract the most attention.) In the long > run, this might help "market" HPR better overall, attract an even bigger > audience, and by extension, more contributors, eventually culminating in > growing political power and wealth until the HPR elites destroy the world over > an argument regarding which among them get to rule Australia. (I may be > getting a little carried away there, but you get the idea.) > > I'll even go a step further and say if the information is made available we > can get at least one HPR episode out of analysing it (possibly more than one > if anyone is interested in collaborating). > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 12:36:52 -0400 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Hpr] Should we publish the HPR downloads stats ? > Message-ID: <107835745.689VAmlo9a@squirrel> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > On Monday, June 02, 2014 01:38:26 PM Ken Fallon wrote: > [...] >> We don't have any logs before Sep-2010 so do we >> a) ignore shows before that date even though they have been downloaded >> since then ? >> b) calculate some guesstimate for a base and add the downloads we do >> know about. >> > On this, in my opinion, if we don't have the data, either explicitly state > "downloads since September 2010" or possibly just leave shows prior to 2010 > out. (I tend to lean towards the former due to my "as much readily-available > information as possible" bias, but either approach makes sense to me.) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Hpr mailing list > [email protected] > http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Hpr Digest, Vol 69, Issue 3 > ********************************** _______________________________________________ Hpr mailing list [email protected] http://hackerpublicradio.org/mailman/listinfo/hpr_hackerpublicradio.org
