TL;DR: Policy change.
"/If there are any shows that are on the site which you feel harm HPR
<https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2022-June/004492.html>,
first see if a response episode
<https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2021-September/004250.html>
is sufficient to address the grievance. If not then please bring it to
the attention of the janitors at hpr, and we will see if the concerns
are grounded based on the same criteria as if the show was been posted
today./"
Hi Brian,
To answer how this effects HPR
1. 181 listeners can no longer hear this episode.
2. We can no longer expect to go un-noticed in our little back water on
the Internet, as the fact we are on Spotify means that all our shows
are been scanned.
3. We are now knowingly in violation of the DMCA, and can also no
longer use the "safe harbor
<https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2019-May/003673.html>"
defense.
So this is *not* a discussion about should we or should we not remove
the infringing copyright music - only the domain holders stankdawg and
myself get a say in that: "And for the record... no one else can
voluntarily accept responsibility. It falls back to me as site owner no
matter what.
<https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2019-May/003692.html>
". After consulting with my legal team, surprise, surprise, the response
was to remove the offending content.
The show itself violates our current policies
<http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission>
""Never include content, for example music, in your show that you do not
have permission to redistribute." however that policy came in 10 years
after that show was posted. If it were posted now, we would reject it.
This discussion is about **how to deal with legacy issues in older shows**.
Issues may be identified by the Janitors noticing it during posting, the
QA team hearing it on the Future Feed
<https://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.html#Future_feed>, or the
general public when it is posted to the main feed.
This topic came up in a recent mail-list discussion, and in reply to
Steve, I wrote "/if there are any shows that are on the site which you
feel harm HPR
<https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2022-June/004492.html>,
first see if a response episode
<https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2021-September/004250.html>
is sufficient to address the grievance. If not then please bring it to
the attention of the janitors at hpr, and we will see if the concerns
are grounded based on the same criteria as if the show was been posted
today./"
For the record "/The normal procedure
<https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2025-September/004910.html>
is that when the Janitors notice an issue, they will contact the host,
explaining what the issue is and listing a link to the policy. It is
then up to the host and only the host to decide what to do. If the host
disagrees, then they or the Janitors will bring it to the attention of
the Mail List/".
So expect more discussion on what to do with hpr0492 later, but for now
is the approach outlined above acceptable when dealing with complaints ?
Links.
* https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2019-May/003673.html
* https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2019-May/003683.html
* https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2019-May/003684.html
* https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2019-May/003692.html
* http://hackerpublicradio.org/stuff_you_need_to_know.php#permission
* https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2022-June/004492.html
* https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2021-September/004250.html
* https://lists.hackerpublicradio.com/pipermail/hpr/2025-September/004910.html
* https://hackerpublicradio.org/syndication.html#Future_feed
--
Regards,
Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
On 2025-09-15 14:17, Brian K Navarette wrote:
I'm wondering, does a show being removed from Spotify actually
effect HPR? Should we care or does responding to them give them
(spotify and others) some sense of control over us?
brian-in-ohio
On Mon, Sep 15, 2025 at 12:23 AM Ken Fallon via Hpr
<hpr@lists.hackerpublicradio.com> wrote:
Hi All,
Has anyone got contact information for MonstorB or any of the
other hosts involved in the series ?
This is about the take down notice on this episode from Spotify
about hpr0492 :: TIT Radio Ep 14, "Monsterb and friends host TiT
Radio". Hosted by monsterb on Wednesday, 2009-12-09 is flagged as
Explicit and is released under a CC-BY-NC-SA license.
https://hackerpublicradio.org/eps/hpr0492/index.html and
https://web.archive.org/web/20100106065512/https://titradio.info/
The issue is about TerryF's Song of the Week: Shine by Cactus.
https://web.archive.org/web/20101228054031/https://www.musicalley.com/music/listeners/artistdetails.php?BandHash=3ac347d9876e90e6d16b0d62e8146b81
I had a look at the options Spotify provided and there was no
option to do anything about it unless you had a license directly
from the author. I need to know if they got permission to release
the song or not ? It's possible that there was a "podcast
friendly" agreement at music alley at the time.
All their domains are shut down so I've been struggling to catch
up with them. Any help tracking them, and other hosts down would
be appreciated.
--
Regards,
Ken Fallon (PA7KEN,G5KEN)
https://kenfallon.com
https://hackerpublicradio.org/hosts/ken_fallon
On 2025-07-15 14:59, Claudio Miranda wrote:
Wow. HPR has finally arrived.
- Claudio
On Tue, Jul 15, 2025 at 3:17 AM Ken Fallon via Hpr
<hpr@lists.hackerpublicradio.com> wrote:
Our first Copyright Violation- we're real podcasters now.
I'll deal with it, but it's the reason we have
https://hackerpublicradio.org/about.html#permission
Ken.
-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: An episode of your podcast has been removed - [snip]
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 23:12:08 +0000 (GMT)
From: Spotify No-Reply <no_re...@spotify.com>
<mailto:no_re...@spotify.com>
To: ad...@hackerpublicradio.org
<ad...@hackerpublicradio.org>
<mailto:ad...@hackerpublicradio.org>
Hello,
We wanted to let you know that the following content has been
removed from our service for violating the intellectual
property rights of a third party:
Content
*Title:* HPR0492: TIT Radio Ep 14
*URI:* spotify:episode:4DQYktgaOCa6djeFzV32eF
*Feed URL:* https://hackerpublicradio.org/hpr_total_rss.php
*Content Type*: EPISODE
Our automatic review tools identified third-party music in
this content and the rightsholder has indicated the music is
not licensed and/or you have not responded to our inquiry
about the use(s).
To learn about appeals options, please visit [snip]. Abuse of
our processes may restrict your ability to submit requests in
the future. Please be advised Spotify has a policy to
terminate, in appropriate circumstances, the accounts of
repeat infringers.
If we do not hear from you *within five (5) business days*,
we will assume that you consent to the takedown.
Thank you for your cooperation,
Spotify Content Protection
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