the following discussion was at [0] where it is off topic. It is important here, hence the continuation:
--- In [email protected], "Erik Krause" <erik.kra...@...> wrote: > > On Saturday, November 07, 2009 at 22:37, yuval_levy wrote: > > > my opinion about that specific installer: > > > > http://panospace.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/hugin-2009-2-0-windows-installer/ > > I think hugin distribution politics is far from the high quality of > the software. Erik, If you think you can do better, go ahead and do it. You have all the necessary information, tools, and accesses to distribute Hugin differently. Frankly I am annoyed. I know we have *different* views. I respect your opinion. I do not accept your qualitative judgment. Have you done anything better? Have you done anything at all other than criticizing? There is no *politics* in the Hugin distribution. There are facts: 1. The development team does not have the resources to consistently produce binaries for distribution. The nature and composition of the team changes continuously. Slowing development because of binary distribution is unacceptable to me. 2. Users have *always* built and distributed the binaries. It will stay so as long as the necessary resources are not consistently available to the project. Resources = combination of hardware, skill, time. This is true for MacOSX; for Ubuntu; for Fedora; for Gentoo; for FreeBSD; and for any other system on which Hugin is known to work. Why should Windows be treated any different? Or why should the development team deal differently with binary distributions? So far I have not seen one single convincing argument from you or others that are so interested in binaries but are afraid to dip a toe in the water. 3. It was a user effort that brought about the documentation for other users to build binaries for all platforms [1]. And the 0.7.0 Windows installer [2] was (my) user effort as well. Without users contributing, *nothing* happens. 4. A member of the development team *may* also be a user of a specific platform. He *might* produce binaries at some point, but this does not imply commitment or obligation to produce, maintain, distribute, neither in the present nor in the future; neither for him nor for the rest of the development team. 5. *Nobody* can tell anybody what to do with their time. If you think something is not being done as it should be; and you feel that your critique goes unheard, you are free to a) do it yourself b) ask nicely once or twice c) hire somebody to do it and if nobody (including you) does it, then probably it is not important enough (not even to you). If you are not ready to invest your resources to do this, how can you expect that others do? I have stated my *personal* opinion about the currently circulated Windows installer at [3]. Note that it is my *personal* opinion on my *personal* blog. I have not imposed my opinion on the project, nor on Allard, nor on Windows users. His stuff is up there on Sourceforge as official download despite my opinion, and we agree to disagree. When I make changes to the project, I put forward a motion and it is decided by consensus or by majority. My voice is one of many. You can discuss your wishful thinking as long as you want. Criticizing is easier than doing. Critique is welcome when it brings new findings to the table. The repetition, again and again, of the same old stale wish is annoying; and the judgment by those who have not even tried to do something is worth exactly as much as they have done. I personally see no reason to invest my resources in a Windows installer at this time. I think it is something important to have, and it will come in due time. Other things have higher priority for me at the moment. If others think differently, they can invest their resources to what they think is their highest priority. The beauty of Open Source is that there is no boss. I don't need to find here the same constraints that I find when I am paid to do something for a customer or for a boss in a corporate environment. When I am hired for money I'll bend over; be a prostitute; play the politics. If asked to do something that I deem futile, I'll do it with a smile and won't even utter my opinion. That's called "day-job". I am here on my "free-time", which is the opposite of "day-job". Here I enjoy the freedom of doing what I want, when I want, how I want. Here I enjoy being a "social learner". Learning from more experienced others and passing on to less experienced new comers. In the "free-time" context, if my byproduct is helpful to others, good for them. If it is not, they will have to find other ways to satisfy their wants/needs. In the "day-job" context is the other way around. If I like what I'm doing, good for me. If not, I'll have to find other ways to happiness, because customer satisfaction and following the boss' orders are what counts there. There, not here. Yuv [0] http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wwp/message/11790 [1] http://wiki.panotools.org/Development_of_Open_Source_tools#Supported_Platforms [2] http://hugin.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/hugin/hugin/trunk/platforms/windows/installer/ [3] http://panospace.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/hugin-2009-2-0-windows-installer/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
