On 06/11/2013 11:08 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:
2013/6/12 Gnome Nomad <[email protected]

    On 06/11/2013 10:02 PM, Frederic Da Vitoria wrote:

        2013/6/12 Gnome Nomad

             On 06/11/2013 12:26 PM, Isaac Gouy wrote:

                 On Tuesday, May 1, 2012 12:16:20 PM UTC-7, Bruno Postle
        wrote:

                      On Tue 01-May-2012 at 03:35 -0700, AlekseyM wrote:
                       >What library Hugin uses to create tiff files?
        Maybe it is
                 possible to
                       >add some options to specify different tiff format?

                      It would be possible, but the alpha channel in the
        enblend TIFF
                      output is useful since a lot of panoramas have
        transparent
                 areas.

                 While I agree that it's useful to support alpha channel
        (and
                 I've used
                 that masking capability with Enfuse), It seems that
        image processing
                 software intended for photographers tends not support alpha
                 channel TIFF
                 even when it does support 48bit TIFF.

                 Image processing software intended for a broader audience,
                 intended for
                 illustrators, is more likely to support alpha channel TIFF.

                 For example, the free to use,  Serif Photo Plus Starter
        Edition,
                 opened
                 all the problem TIFFs and allowed them to be exported
        as 24bit
                 or 32bit
                 TIFF.

                 DxO Optics Pro wouldn't open the converted 32bit TIFF
        but did
                 open the
                 converted 24bit TIFF.

                 Unfortunately it seems very unlikely that the makers of
        software for
                 photographers will be persuaded to support alpha
        channel TIFF.

                 I understand that the conversion is possible with
        ImageMagick but
                 as-well-as my reluctance to install all that stuff on
        my Windows
                 install, even Ubuntu now shows a warning that
        ImageMagick cannot be
                 authenticated (whatever that means).

                 Perhaps the better approach would be
                 yet-another-utility-program, based
                 on libtiff, which strips the alpha channel and could be
        used after
                 Enblend or Enfuse?

             Hmmm, Rawtherapee opens Hugin TIFFs with no problems or
        complaints.
             GIMP only complains about them being 16-bit per channel.
        Haven't
             tried opening one in Bibble 5/Aftershot Pro, but that is
        software
             intended for photographers.

        Gimp 2.8.4 on Windows does not complain at all, as far as I can see.


    Same version I have here, although I run it on Linux, not Windows.

    Does it tell you that the input file has 16-bits per channel, GIMP
    only supports 8-bits per channel, so it is dropping the other 8 bits
    per channel? That's the GIMP "complaint" I'm referring to. GIMP
    doesn't support 48-bit (3 16-bit channels). That's scheduled for GIMP 3.


I know that currently GIMP is still limited to 8 bits / channel. I only
meant that GIMP does not complain about the bit depth when loading a
48-bits image. Actually, I have looked everywhere for a mention of the
bit depth in Gimp but have been unable to find any. Gimp is very quiet
about this :-)

GIMP has stated that GIMP 3 will have full 48-bit color support, including for all effects, filters, etc.

Photoshop has had 48-bit support for a long time now, since 48-bit color is the professional photography standard.

The problem with transparency and digital photographs has been around a long time. When JPG standard was defined, it didn't include transparency. I think it's because the joint "photographic experts" take "transparency" to mean a type of film image, not an attribute of a photograph. ;-)

Does anyone know why we receive what look like TWO slightly different list sigs like this at the bottom? Maybe someone could combine the two and reduce the extraneous line count a bit?

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