Do you have the names of papers published by Frosch? I am interested to read them, although it is known that low acoustic frequencies can pass through km's of shielding, and if the EM shielding works above 1kHz, then it does not address the low frequencies that we all hear. In other words, with the kinds of shielding that you have referred to, one cannot make any statement as to the nature of the hum being accoustic, EM, or not.
As for your own work, nothing obviates the need for your own controls. As for accepting or rejecting it, yes, of course you are free to publish in good faith, and I am free to refute, in good faith. Like I said, I am being devil's advocate, and attempting to strengthen your claims. You seem unwilling to enter this territory. On 13/08/2012, at 5:05 PM, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It appears to me that you have done very little in the way of research > into this subject, I refer you to the work carried out in Berlin > some years ago. > A German Hum researcher, Dr. F Frosh, was given access to two > insulated chambers, the first shields acoustic, electrical and > magnetic signals. > The EM shielding works excellently for frequencies above 1kHz and the > acoustic shielding is very good at all frequencies. > > The second chamber was not built with acoustic shielding but does > block most ambient noise and it shields all magnetic and electrical > fields. > It has the best shielding standards in the world, no chamber has > better data, neither the Earth's magnetic field or any EM is > detectable within this chamber. > > These chambers are most probably the quietest places on Earth and yet > the Hum was "heard" in both. > > This adds to the mounting evidence that the Hum is neither acoustic or > electromagnetic and therefore must have some other cause. > The information I have posted is given in good faith, you are free to > accept it or reject it as you please. > > On Aug 12, 11:32 pm, Joshua Ginges <[email protected]> wrote: >> Your stated observations do not diminish the need for well planned >> experiments with appropriate controls. Thus far, I have yet to see any >> scientific rigour in your data. >> >> In a past email, you stated that you manually set your detector going by >> setting a small weight at the end of a metallic strip in motion, and then >> you measure it somehow. Firstly, how do you control the variations in your >> own method of setting the weight in motion? ie the force and velocity >> applied by your finger. Secondly, you just stated that you have tried to >> detect it within different materials. Have you built these containers so >> large that you are sitting inside them when you set the detector in motion? >> If not, how can you make such a claim that the hum passes through said >> materials? >> >> John, I'm not trying to dismiss your observations, but rather to strengthen >> them. To do this, one must ask the questions that, if answered in the >> affirmative, would bring down the hypothesis. This is science. Without >> asking (and attempting to answer through experimentation) the sometimes >> 'difficult' questions, anything you can come up with is no more than >> suspicion. >> >> If we are to truly make headway into the issues of the hum, then we need >> solid data backed by controls. There is absolutely no way around this. >> >> Josh >> >> On 13/08/2012, at 6:31 AM, John Dawes <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> After more than 40 years of observation and investigation one fact >>> about the Hum has remained constant, it cannot be blocked. The energy >>> that causes the Hum passes through all known substances without loss. >>> This fact can be used to differentiate the Hum from all other forms of >>> energy. A detector is places inside containers made of various >>> substances, I use substances which are readily available such as lead, >>> copper, stone, concrete water etc also various types of sound proofing >>> materials. As yet I have no material which reduces the measurements, >>> the only way to reduce a reading is to go from indoors to outdoors >>> which is consistent with the observations of the majority of Hum >>> sufferers. >> >>> On Aug 12, 3:44 pm, Joshua Ginges <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> John, how do you know you are measuring the hum? >> >>>> Can I suggest getting someone else to take the readings, and at the time >>>> the readings are collected, you make notes about how strongly you perceive >>>> the hum to be. Do this for at least 30 readings (say, one reading per day >>>> for a month), and then take a look at the correlation between the 2 sets >>>> of data. >> >>>> Without this kind of verification, you cannot know that you are measuring >>>> the hum at all. >> >>>> Josh >> >>>> On 12/08/2012, at 5:40 PM, "john dawes" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> The measurements of Hum level posted on this site have been made as >>>>> individual readings and it was considered a possible improvement if >>>>> readings could be made continuously. A device which performs this task >>>>> has been constructed but so far nothing of significance has been observed. >> >>>>> The Hum level fluctuates in an apparently random fashion during various >>>>> times of the day and night. 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