_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 April 2012 08:59 To: Digest Recipients Subject: [HG-new] Digest for [email protected] - 6 Messages in 2 Topics Today's Topic Summary Group: <http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/topics> http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/topics * Olympic Minstrel HG [1 Update] * Henry VIII and the hurdy gurdy [5 Updates] <http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/t/4897be85fd6362c2> Olympic Minstrel HG Roger Abrahamson <[email protected]> Apr 09 08:16PM -0500
I have an Olympic Musical Instruments Minstrel Model Hurdy Gurdy in excellent condition for sale. It's a wonderful, stable, professional quality instrument. Included is a soft case, "The Hurdy Gurdy" adjustment and maintence book by Destrem and "Hurdy Gurdy Method" by Doreen Muskett. Please contact me off list at [email protected] if you're interested. Thanks, Roger Abrahamson <http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/t/f8aa4e28fdecc1ab> Henry VIII and the hurdy gurdy There is no record of Henry VIII destroying hurdy-gurdies. The first evidence of its use in England is the 18th century street players (Hogarth), and even so they could have come over from the continent. The popular folk instruments of the time were the bagpipes in various forms. I wonder if this fictional event is being confused with the massacre of the lyrniki in Russia. (20th cent.) No doubt these players sang songs critical of the government. Mussorgsky ended his life in prison for doing the same thing. In the 18th century during the English suppression of the Scots no emblem of nationalism was allowed for 40 years on pain of execution. Similar bans exist in recent history. In the 16th century Henry VIII destroyed the monasteries, leaving us with 'cold bare ruined choirs where late the sweet birds sang'. WS. Through this action much scholarship and music was lost. Henry was also a serial murderer who exculpated himself by changing the law (as is done today). I can hardly agree that he was a prolific composer. In the book Music at the Court of Henry VIII I can find only 21 songs attributed to him. Compare this with the output of Wm Byrd, Scarlatti with his 550 sonatas, or Vivaldi with his 500 concertos. Thomas A Frank <[email protected]> Apr 09 07:42AM -0400 That is an interesting thing to ponder. My understanding was that Henry went after bagpipes so as to suppress Scottish nationalism. Is it possible that the fact that the HG sounds somewhat similar made it a target for the same reason? Imagine the poor HG owners, mistaken for Scot's because of their sound...or did the Scot's switch to HG's to beat the bagpipe ban (I've never heard that before, anyone?), and Henry reacted? Fascinating piece of history. I'm not even sure where to look for more in depth information on the subject! Tom Frank Judith Lindenau <[email protected]> Apr 09 08:17AM -0400 In his book "The Hurdy Gurdy in Eighteenth Century France", Robert Green devotes several pages to the' fall' of the instrument. Green thinks (see page 23<http://books.google.com/books?id=ahkNN66x18YC <http://books.google.com/books?id=ahkNN66x18YC&pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=hurdy+gur dy+French+revolution&source=bl&ots=5OntDq1e5z&sig=t1uKKcE__jE3rWcyCtrxUkt8k8 M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oc-CT5L1Loee8gSD2-DbBw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false> &pg=PA23&lpg=PA23&dq=hurdy+gurdy+French+revolution&source=bl&ots=5OntDq1e5z& sig=t1uKKcE__jE3rWcyCtrxUkt8k8M&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oc-CT5L1Loee8gSD2-DbBw&ved=0CF wQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false>) that the interest merely migrated to more rural areas outside Paris, and 'entered the general culture.' In particular, Greene notes the rise of luthiers in Jenzat. However, interest in the instrument continued a gradual decline as a result of a waning interest in folk music in general. That's a far less dramatic picture than have always pictured of a blazing bonfire with a pile of gilt-encrusted lutebacks. Or even bagpipes. judith lindenau -- Judith Lindenau www.judithlindenau.com Consulting and Personal Coaching Management blog: http://www.realtown.com/Judith2/blog Roy Trotter <[email protected]> Apr 09 10:57AM -0500 Uhm, ,,, No. I am familiar with them HENRY VIII = THE DEVIL stories, but haven't heard them much since the decline of radical feminism in the mid-seventies. Even the radical Celtic-ism people ... (no, I'm not talking about basketball fans ... ) (Anyway...) They don't single him out as that evil. It wouldn't have had much effect anyway. Henry VIII was an English King. Hurdy Gurdy wasn't very popular in England at the time. Sometimes things that go on in England also go on in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.... but not necessarily because the English King said so ... My dis - recall of any such event doesn't mean it never happened, but I sincerely doubt it. My books are unavailable these days, but I seem to remember that there were a couple HG's left over in his collection ... (after his demise, not "after the burning") I could be wrong, tho' . This seems to be one of them apocryphal stories. There are some people who think that they can make up a lie to un- failably sell something (e.g.) "If we can link Hurdy Gurdys to Henry VIII 's unpopularity, we can sell these items BIG TIME!!!". I would (did) buy a Gurdy on its own merit, but not because some foreign king may have disliked it. But that's just me ... Do it or not within your conscience.... IT'S YOUR CONSCIENCE ... (unless it's illegal in your area....) -- Kevin Hughes <[email protected]> Apr 09 09:42AM -0700 I suppose I should have been more precise with my question and asked if anyone knew of any evidence of Henry VIII ordering the destruction of hurdy gurdies, in England. The statement quoted sounded like bs to me, and I am well aware that there are many hurdy gurdy makers out there. I'm also aware that Henry VIII was the king of England (from 1509 until 1547), and so was not surmising from original statement that it was referring to destruction of hurdy gurdies anywhere other than in England. Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:57:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [HG-new] Henry VIII and the hurdy gurdy From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Uhm, ,,, No. I am familiar with them HENRY VIII = THE DEVIL stories, but haven't heard them much since the decline of radical feminism in the mid-seventies. Even the radical Celtic-ism people ... (no, I'm not talking about basketball fans ... ) (Anyway...) They don't single him out as that evil. It wouldn't have had much effect anyway. Henry VIII was an English King. Hurdy Gurdy wasn't very popular in England at the time. Sometimes things that go on in England also go on in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.... but not necessarily because the English King said so ... My dis - recall of any such event doesn't mean it never happened, but I sincerely doubt it. My books are unavailable these days, but I seem to remember that there were a couple HG's left over in his collection ... (after his demise, not "after the burning") I could be wrong, tho' . This seems to be one of them apocryphal stories. There are some people who think that they can make up a lie to un- failably sell something (e.g.) "If we can link Hurdy Gurdys to Henry VIII 's unpopularity, we can sell these items BIG TIME!!!". I would (did) buy a Gurdy on its own merit, but not because some foreign king may have disliked it. But that's just me ... Do it or not within your conscience.... IT'S YOUR CONSCIENCE ... 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To reduce spam, posts from new subscribers are held pending approval by the webmaster. Jon Redpath <[email protected]> Apr 09 08:08PM +0100 I have NEVER heard of this EVER, but I've only lived in Britain for 65 years. Anyone at many periods could be hanged for playing bagpipes after proscribed hours. Technically any Scot can still have this punishment for playing them anytime in Carlisle ( an English City). From my research here in Scotland the HG was only minimally popular around the time of Mary Queen of Scots. Henry VIII and his RC chums (who were illegal to anyone at that time) wrote some fabulous music. Like many English or Scots monarchs they were not as bad as the history books portrayed them. JON ________________________________ From: Kevin Hughes <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 9 April 2012, 17:42 Subject: RE: [HG-new] Henry VIII and the hurdy gurdy I suppose I should have been more precise with my question and asked if anyone knew of any evidence of Henry VIII ordering the destruction of hurdy gurdies, in England. The statement quoted sounded like bs to me, and I am well aware that there are many hurdy gurdy makers out there. I'm also aware that Henry VIII was the king of England (from 1509 until 1547), and so was not surmising from original statement that it was referring to destruction of hurdy gurdies anywhere other than in England. ________________________________ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:57:03 -0500 Subject: Re: [HG-new] Henry VIII and the hurdy gurdy From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Uhm, ,,, No. I am familiar with them HENRY VIII = THE DEVIL stories, but haven't heard them much since the decline of radical feminism in the mid-seventies. Even the radical Celtic-ism people ... (no, I'm not talking about basketball fans ... ) (Anyway...) They don't single him out as that evil. It wouldn't have had much effect anyway. Henry VIII was an English King. Hurdy Gurdy wasn't very popular in England at the time. Sometimes things that go on in England also go on in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, etc.... but not necessarily because the English King said so ... My dis - recall of any such event doesn't mean it never happened, but I sincerely doubt it. My books are unavailable these days, but I seem to remember that there were a couple HG's left over in his collection ... (after his demise, not "after the burning") I could be wrong, tho' . This seems to be one of them apocryphal stories. There are some people who think that they can make up a lie to un- failably sell something (e.g.) "If we can link Hurdy Gurdys to Henry VIII 's unpopularity, we can sell these items BIG TIME!!!". I would (did) buy a Gurdy on its own merit, but not because some foreign king may have disliked it. But that's just me ... Do it or not within your conscience.... IT'S YOUR CONSCIENCE ... (unless it's illegal in your area....) >http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy > >The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. 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