_____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 23 December 2012 08:45 To: Digest Recipients Subject: [HG-new] Digest for [email protected] - 2 Messages in 1 Topic Today's Topic Summary Group: <http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/topics> http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/topics * branle de C hevaux [2 Updates] <http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy/t/1a4441278a90e56c> branle de C hevaux "michael" <[email protected]> Dec 22 12:28PM
Here's a video snippet of the dance we do to Branle des Chevaux...not rocket science, but enjoyable. _http:// <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI> www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI&list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in dex=17_ (http:// <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI> www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI&list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in dex=17> &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&index=17) [M: congrats. Good rhythm & flow, the best I've heard. But the flattened 7th is intrusive and unnatural (oops. pun is accidental) and is not in the original! It's awkward to sing, too. This is not 14th cent plainsong , and even if it were..! the dance looks enjoyable, too. M: end.] Graham Whyte <[email protected]> Dec 22 01:17PM Michael, The flattened 7th IS IN Abeau's original version See Orchesography pp 165-167 (Dover Edition) Its scored in G with no F#s except for the penultimate note which Arbeau clearly marks as F# as a cadence Graham Dear Graham, Permit me to explain. Music notation in the 16th & 17th centuries was still developing and was not expressed as it is today. In quoting from the most authoritative book on the subject, the Interpretation of Early Music, Robert Donington, Faber 1977, I find it hard to decide which of many relative paragraphs I should quote, so I will simply distil it into my own words. The first accidental is commonly omitted where we would expect to find a key signature, and only the 2nd and subsequent accidentals would be shown, so D maj would show only c sharp, but the final note would be d, thus confirming the key of the piece. By the same rule if the piece is in G the f# would not be shown but the music leaves no doubt about the keynote. A change was taking place from the old modal notation where f natural would be the norm and the newer style where f sharp is the norm and by putting a sharp at the end he is showing that there should not be a whole tone cadence. This assisted the slow development of modulation of key. G Zarlino 1558. (p 137) there are some who in singing sharpen or flatten a melody in a case where the composer never intended - as when they sing a tone instead if a semitone or the other way about. By this they not only offend the ear. Singers should take care to sing only what is written according o the mind of the composer. 'The ear is the best judge.' P 129 in baroque music, a key signature may often show one sharp or one flat short of the number required, the deficiency being subsequently made good by accidentals throughout the piece a required. I hope this misunderstanding is now resolved. Michael plus On 22/12/12 12:28, michael wrote: Here's a video snippet of the dance we do to Branle des Chevaux...not rocket science, but enjoyable. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI&list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in dex=17_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaMJuJ3smsI&list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in > &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&in dex=17> &list=UU_LtSr8oWIhx_Baeqy5RWGw&index=17) [M: congrats. Good rhythm & flow, the best I've heard. But the flattened 7 th is intrusive and unnatural (oops. pun is accidental) and is not in the original! It's awkward to sing, too. This is not 14 th cent plainsong , and even if it were..! the dance looks enjoyable, too. M: end.] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "hurdygurdy" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hurdygurdy The rules of posting, courtesy, and other list information may be found at http://hurdygurdy.com/mailinglist/index.htm. To reduce spam, posts from new subscribers are held pending approval by the webmaster. You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group hurdygurdy. You can <mailto:[email protected]> post via email. To unsubscribe from this group, <mailto:[email protected]> send an empty message. 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