On 08/29/2009 10:08 PM, Gabriel M. Beddingfield wrote:
>
> On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>    
>> I have uploaded a mock up of the pattern trigger ui to the ticket.
>>
>> Each button would be associated with a completely independent sequence
>> or stack of patterns with independent bpm settings.
>>
>> Additionally there would be a bpm label on the button which I forgot to
>> add to the mockup.
>>
>> There would need to some new functionality in the pattern editor window
>> to save and display the specific sequence.
>>      
> Nice mock-up.  Thanks.
>
> The mock-up that you made... isn't it a lot like how seq24,
> non-sequencer, and freewheeling handle their loops?



I will test them out again but my previous tests with them didn't look 
anything like that mockup. I have heard good things about seq24 recently 
though and I need to revisit them all.



> In fact, it's
> just a different face on what H2 already does.  (Except for the BPM
> thing... but I think wolke has that on his FX branch.)
>    


The main reason for suggesting that ui model is that imo, AL has 
established a standard interface model and Hydrogen has the base 
functionality in place to support the model. People are begging for an 
Open sourced alternative to AL and imo Hydrogen is one of the best 
placed apps and most capable groups of developers positioned to deliver 
that lofty goal. It's simply about doing it because we can not because 
we have to. Of course there is time considerations too so I don't see it 
as a priority.

While thinking about it more over the past 24 hours there is a 
possibility that this ui could be served by a stand alone sampler app 
that can trigger any jack/midi app. The main reasoning behind suggesting 
building it into Hydrogen is that existing AL users expect a single app 
that can do everything instead of a whole lot of individual apps. 
However it would also be very powerful to be able to independently 
trigger a tX loop, zynadd synth, hydrogen loop and Ardour session from a 
single interface.

Maybe that's where lash will really come into it's own. Although I'm not 
sure how well a system would standup to having all those different ui's 
running at the same time for live performance. Having a single cohesive 
environment like Hydrogen taking care of the ui and signal paths would 
probably result in more stability.




> IIRC, Ableton Live has the vertical columns as a group as well... so that
> you can trigger an entire column if you want.  Typical example:
>
>           +-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+
>           | INTRO | VERSE | CHORUS | BRIDGE | OUTTRO |
> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+
> Vocals  |       |       |        |  VP1   |  VP2   |
> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+
> Guitar  |  GL1  |       |   GL2  |  GL3   |  GL4   |
> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+
> Synth 1 | SEQ1  | SEQ2  |  SEQ3  |        |  SEQ4  |
> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+
> Synth 2 |       |       |  SEQ5  |  SEQ6  |        |
> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+
> Drums   |  DL1  |  DL2  |   DL3  |   DL4  |   DL5  |
> --------+-------+-------+--------+--------+--------+
>
> You can trigger any pattern/loop individually... or you can trigger
> the whole column to start playing.
>
> Isn't this how AL's scenes works?
>    



IIRC AL has support for grouping columns and rows as well as individual 
samples and midi patterns. It also has a lot more functionality like 
multitrack recording, wave and midi editor, etc...




> Peace,
> Gabriel
>
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