HI Linda, I just uploaded the version -05 with the updates listed below in this thread.
Thanks Rakesh From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@huawei.com> Date: Monday, December 5, 2016 at 1:44 PM To: Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net>, Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com" <christian.jacque...@orange.com>, "i2nsf@ietf.org" <i2nsf@ietf.org> Subject: RE: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Rakesh, I would think uploading soon (ASAP), so we can get over the WGLC by end of the year. Linda From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkku...@juniper.net] Sent: 2016年12月5日 15:41 To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@huawei.com>; Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com>; 'Diego R. Lopez' <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com>; christian.jacque...@orange.com; i2nsf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Linda, Let me know when do you want me to upload this version. Thanks Rakesh From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>> Date: Monday, December 5, 2016 at 11:37 AM To: Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>>, Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>>, "i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>" <i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>> Subject: RE: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Is there anyone objecting adding Paul as co-author? If not, please go ahead adding his name and upload the draft. So that we can start the WGLC. Linda From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkku...@juniper.net] Sent: 2016年12月5日 13:19 To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>>; Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>>; 'Diego R. Lopez' <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>; christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>; Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong HI Linda, I think, we should add Paul’s name. We can put his name as contributing author or as a co-author as others feel appropriate. Thanks Rakesh From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>> Date: Monday, December 5, 2016 at 10:03 AM To: Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>>, Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>>, "i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>" <i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>> Subject: RE: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Sue, Rakesh, Diego, et al, Do you think the version updated by Rakesh is good enough for WGLC? We are hoping to get the process started & finished by 2017. Thanks, Linda From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkku...@juniper.net] Sent: 2016年11月30日 13:59 To: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>>; 'Diego R. Lopez' <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>; myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>; christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>; Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>>; Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hi Susan and all, I took as much as possible from Pau’l contributions and added one section on “Regulatory and compliance” which I wanted to add. Please find the attached “xml” document. I added following to the document sent by Diego. I don’t know how to diff between Diego’s version and mine. 1. Section 3.1.1, Added a new item “Centralized or Distributed security functions:” 2. Section 3.4, Added a new section “Software-Defined Networks” 3. Section 4.4, Added section “Preventing Distributed DoS, Malware and Botnet attacks” 4. Section 4.5, Added section “Regulatory and compliance security policies” 5. In my opinion, we should add Paul’s name back. I have not done in the attached document but I feel we should. Thanks Rakesh From: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>> Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 at 5:49 PM To: Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>>, 'Linda Dunbar' <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>> Subject: RE: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Rakesh: Thank you for letting me know. Sue From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkku...@juniper.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 11:42 AM To: Susan Hares; 'Diego R. Lopez' Cc: 'Myo Zarny'; myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>; christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>; 'Linda Dunbar' Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hi Susan, I will send you the changes in next couple of days. Thanks Rakesh From: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>> Date: Monday, November 28, 2016 at 1:28 AM To: "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>>, Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Cc: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>>, 'Linda Dunbar' <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>> Subject: RE: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Diego and Rakesh: Let me know who has the token. If Rakesh wants to send changes, I will update to this work. Wi will unavailable via email during normal hours (8am-5pm ET) due to jury duty in the US. I will be working 5pm (2pm PT) to 12pm ET, and 6-7 ET (am). Sue From: Diego R. Lopez [mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2016 5:22 PM To: Rakesh Kumar Cc: Susan Hares; Myo Zarny; myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>; christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>; Linda Dunbar Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hi Rakesh, Good! I am attaching the latest version Sue shared with us. Be goode, On 27 Nov 2016, at 21:41 , Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> wrote: I will do it. Please send me the latest copy otherwise I will take the latest version from IETF website. Regards Rakesh Sent from my iPhone On Nov 27, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>> wrote: Hi Sue, Trying to sort out a token deadlock we seemed to have… Be goode, On 26 Nov 2016, at 22:45 , Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>> wrote: Rakesh, Diego, Myo, and Christian: Any updates on this document? If you want me to edit in the changes, please let me know. Sue From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkku...@juniper.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2016 1:45 PM To: Diego R. Lopez Cc: Susan Hares; Myo Zarny; myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>; christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>; Linda Dunbar Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hi Diego, I wanted to take a stab at Paul's comment but it looks like you are planning for the same. I will let you handle in that case. I wanted to add use-case listing how I2NSF would be useful for regulatory and compliance policy. Let me know if anything you would like me to do. I am fine with you taking the lead. Regards Rakesh Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2016, at 6:21 AM, Diego R. Lopez <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>> wrote: Hi Rakesh, I am happy if you take the editorial token before I do. Just tell me when you are ready. I was thinking to deal with most of Paul's contribution as an annex exemplifying an implementation pattern using SDN, pointing to the annex from the main text. What I am not sure is about including anything about regulation in an RFC-to-be. Regulation is outside of IETF’s scope… Be goode, On 21 Nov 2016, at 21:44 , Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> wrote: Hi Susan & others, I have already given suggestions regarding how to incorporate changes from Paul’s contributions in this thread. Basically it’s a mix of problem space and use-case as mentioned earlier. I can make the changes if we want to incorporate Paul’s suggestions based on my thinking. Let me know. I can also add a use-case for regulatory and compliance. Thanks Rakesh From: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>> Date: Sunday, November 20, 2016 at 1:59 PM To: 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Cc: "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>>, 'Linda Dunbar' <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>> Subject: RE: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Myo, Deigo, Rakesh, and Christian: Thanks for the input. I’ve removed sections 4.4 and 4.5 to a implementation draft. Do you want me to remove Paul as a co-author at this point or leave him on? I’ve edited a version 5. Diego – do you have the editing token at this point? Sue From: Myo Zarny [mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2016 3:36 PM To: Rakesh Kumar Cc: Susan Hares; myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>; Diego R. Lopez; christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>; Linda Dunbar Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hello Sue and team, My initial reaction was pretty much the same as Rakesh's. Sections 4.4 and 4.5 by themselves can be an implementation draft. Now, SDN implementations could certainly benefit from I2NSF, and the draft should contain a section on SDN. Such a section would complement NFV use cases. The text as it stands now--sections 4.5.1 to 4.5.3--describes how SDN could be used to solve certain network security use cases but doesn't mention not where/how I2NSF fits in. Let's update the text to illustrate I2NSF's value to make it relevant to the purpose of the draft. Diego, thanks for volunteering to make editorial changes. Cheers, On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> wrote: Hi Sue, On a different topic; you asked me about if there is anything else we need to take fromhttps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kumar-i2nsf-controller-use-cases-00 into consideration. After looking at it again, I see you did a great job in incorporating most of the stuff. The only small thing left out is “Regulatory and Compliance:” related use-case. Are you open to adding one use-case regarding this ““Regulatory and Compliance”? I will let you decide on the text what you want to put. I am also fine if you are not comfortable with this. Thanks & Regards, Rakesh From: Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 1:46 PM To: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>>, "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>> Cc: 'Linda Dunbar' <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>>, Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hi Sue, Sure, let us meet. You are absolutely right. Paul pointed out a good use-case of VoIP/VoLTE and how I2NSF can help. I forgot to mention this earlier; my apologies for this. Thanks & Regards, Rakesh From: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>> Date: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 12:19 PM To: Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>>, "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>> Cc: 'Linda Dunbar' <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>> Subject: RE: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Rakesh: Let’s talk in person today. Could we chat right after I2NSF? I think Paul’s sections actually talked about a user perspective. Sue From: Rakesh Kumar [mailto:rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 6:30 AM To: Susan Hares; myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>; 'Myo Zarny'; 'Diego R. Lopez'; christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com> Cc: 'Linda Dunbar'; Rakesh Kumar Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hi Sue, After having a talk with you today, I thought about it some more about this. I feel, section 4.0 describes the various use-cases (from security admin/user perspective). The use-case don’t care about a specific implementation (SDN/non-SDN/Centralized/distributed) approach; rather it shouldn’t be a matter of concern for the security admin as long its use-case can be implemented. If we want to preserve the new contents, I was wondering whether you would be open to moving around the new additions. Here are my thoughts, let me what you think. 1. Move section (“Software-Defined Networks”) under section 3.0 as a problem, SDN is making security provisioning a complex task. Basically security policy in the SDN networks cannot deployed the same way as in legacy networks. 2. Combine sections (“Centralized Firewall System), section (“Centralized DDoS-attack Mitigation System”) and section (“Centralized VoIP/VoLTE Security System) into two sub-sections under section 3.0 as a problem, the NSF implementation pose a challenge in deploying security policies since security admin need to be aware whether a specific NSF is centralized or distributed in order for security policy to be effectively enforced. The I2NSF client interface would definitely address both of the above concerns/problems. What do you think? Thanks Rakesh From: Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 10:49 PM To: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>>, "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>> Cc: 'Linda Dunbar' <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>>, Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>> Subject: Re: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Hi Sue, Thanks for sending the changes. I looked at the contents in section 4.5 (it looks to me from the diffs that this has been added). In my opinion, SDN is just a way to create orchestrate network path for application hosting and of course connecting these application to the eco-system. This is a means to solve a problem where undelay network does not provide this flexibility or hard to achieve. Having said, I don’t think this belongs to problem and use-case draft since as far as I know the purpose of this draft is to highlight problem and use-cases in the security area, irrespective of how the networks are designed. All I am trying to say is that this draft should care about solutions (SDN/non-SDN/Legacy/Distributed/Centralized). This could go in some other draft (may be NSF-facing interface). It is possible that I am not reading it properly but this is how I see it. I am open to discussions. Thanks Rakesh From: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>> Date: Saturday, November 12, 2016 at 2:08 PM To: "myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>" <myo.za...@gs.com<mailto:myo.za...@gs.com>>, 'Myo Zarny' <myo.za...@gmail.com<mailto:myo.za...@gmail.com>>, "'Diego R. Lopez'" <diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com>>, Rakesh Kumar <rkku...@juniper.net<mailto:rkku...@juniper.net>>, "christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>" <christian.jacque...@orange.com<mailto:christian.jacque...@orange.com>> Cc: 'Linda Dunbar' <linda.dun...@huawei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@huawei.com>> Subject: Suggested updaste from Paul Jeong Myo, Diego, Rakesh, and Christian: I suggest that we include Paul’s addition in section 4.4 and include Paul on the author list. Please provide me feedback on this change. Could you review the text and answer the following: a) Do you think the text in section 4.4 makes sense to add, b) Do you thinking adding Paul as a co-author makes sense, c) Do you see any editorial changes in Paul’s section 4.4? Sue Hares -- Regards, Myo -- "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" Dr Diego R. Lopez Telefonica I+D http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ e-mail: diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com> Tel: +34 913 129 041 Mobile: +34 682 051 091 ---------------------------------- -- "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" Dr Diego R. Lopez Telefonica I+D http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ e-mail: diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com> Tel: +34 913 129 041 Mobile: +34 682 051 091 ---------------------------------- -- "Esta vez no fallaremos, Doctor Infierno" Dr Diego R. Lopez Telefonica I+D http://people.tid.es/diego.lopez/ e-mail: diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com<mailto:diego.r.lo...@telefonica.com> Tel: +34 913 129 041 Mobile: +34 682 051 091 ----------------------------------
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