On 19/07/2022 18:02, Linda Dunbar wrote:
Tom,
The draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm is pending on resolving your
comment of the IPR issue.
Can you please review and let the group know if the updated license ok?
So we can move the draft forward to IESG.
Linda
I do not know.
In other WG I see the claims submitted against the various revisions as
they appear with the same conditions and sections.
Here we have a claim with Possible Royalty/Fee and a later claim with
reciprocity. Claims never talk about previous claims so I do not know
if there is still any validity to the earlier claim. Also, the earlier
claim included section 11, the later one does not; is there still a
Possible Royalty/Fee claim against section 11?
Both claims reference 06-09 whereas the I-D is now -22. Do the claims
only relate to the text that is common to both or does it carry forward
to later versions?
All legal issues to which I have no answer; I do not know.
July is the busiest time of year for me when I have the least time for
IETF-rated matters - as I think I have said before. I have started
looking at the I-D and will update you when I am done. The authors do
not always make it easy for me. Thus the change log in -22 only tells me
what has changed from -21; and -21 etc, I will have to dig out all the
intervening versions and review them to arrive at a conclusion which
will not be today:-(.
Tom Petch
Thank you very much
Linda Dunbar
From: Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong <jaehoon.p...@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2022 9:13 PM
To: tom petch <daedu...@btconnect.com>; i2nsf@ietf.org
Cc: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@futurewei.com>; Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com>; Jeongnyeon Kim
<ero...@skku.edu>; skku-iotlab-members <skku-iotlab-memb...@googlegroups.com>; Mr. Jaehoon Paul
Jeong <jaehoon.p...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for
draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
Hi Tom and I2NSF WG,
Let me report the status of IPR Declaration on I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface
YANG Data Model Draft and other drafts.
My SKKU Patent Attorney (Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim) posted an IPR declaration on this
I2NSF Consumer-Facing Interface YANG Data Model Draft.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5694/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5694%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344268885841%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=d4o9timReVpCbFLe8rlX8e8DrTIB8bHZ9OJBknpon38%3D&reserved=0>
According to my request, Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim has requested the update of the
licensing last week as follows:
-----
If this standard is adopted, Sungkyunkwan University (SKKU) will not assert any
patents owned or controlled by SKKU against any party for making, using,
selling, importing or offering for sale a product that implements the standard,
provided, however that SKKU retains the right to assert its patents (including
the right to claim past royalties) against any party that asserts a patent it
owns or controls (either directly or indirectly) against SKKU or any of SKKU's
affiliates or successors in title or against any products of SKKU or any
products of any of SKKU's affiliates either alone or in combination with other
products; and SKKU retains the right to assert its patents against any product
or portion thereof that is not necessary for compliance with the standard.
Royalty-bearing licenses will be available to anyone who prefers that option.
-----
The above licensing was agreed by our I2NSF WG before.
This update is expected to be done next week.
For other I2NSF WG drafts, the update requests of the same correction of the
licensing text
have been submitted by Mr. Jeongnyeon Kim.
- I2NSF Capability YANG Data Model Draft
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5689/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5689%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344268885841%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MQ3Wxsmtk3NxqxI5npDOASn8eLlKmeGCk%2F2yDd1E4QQ%3D&reserved=0>
- I2NSF NSF-Facing Interface YANG Data Model Draft
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5690/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5690%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=qKEdEPkKlerAExWlbGIynr5Es5ODgJN3fFfK6QNORXo%3D&reserved=0>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5691/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5691%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=16kgFfMpnMfKHLml5OgUxxYN0adppmVNtf3VnNyMLvI%3D&reserved=0>
- I2NSF Monitoring Interface YANG Data Model Draft
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5692/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5692%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=z8LIDe1QGXiFdwLvNNvc2capn%2B7NsEFa38HeNAcRJcA%3D&reserved=0>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5693/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5693%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tptezRZK3y7Aft8WJRN6TNCr%2FKm2UZW7Ht82MzDoWCg%3D&reserved=0>
- I2NSF Registration Interface YANG Data Model Draft
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5695/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5695%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rw71VM8xlS8%2F2PUTijyLX4PJ6szW0IiRXuc%2Fhm%2Bthzc%3D&reserved=0>
https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/5696/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fipr%2F5696%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8E5F%2FTgcu48%2BkIqPQFGc2E3NeNGFsuSg3tBHmUdT7ls%3D&reserved=0>
For my individual I2NSF drafts, the same updates were requested by him.
Thanks.
Best Regards,
Paul
On Fri, Jul 15, 2022 at 1:00 AM tom petch
<daedu...@btconnect.com<mailto:daedu...@btconnect.com>> wrote:
On 12/07/2022 18:44, Linda Dunbar wrote:
Sue,
Thank you very much for the offer.
The unsolved comments are from Tom Petch: Re: [I2nsf] WGLC for
draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-16<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/i2nsf/d_Wk5fH35Jo_cdz4D0QZN5VNhFA/<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fi2nsf%2Fd_Wk5fH35Jo_cdz4D0QZN5VNhFA%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=rJ36ZHRAsK6gzfqVsnnBH9SR8zgb7Lb5efDgLnnhMrQ%3D&reserved=0>>
There are several responses to address Tom Petch's comments. Just Tom hasn't
sent feedback if he is satisfied with the response.
Linda,
I am sorry I have not got back to you; I did not realise that I was
holding things up. Meanwhile, another problem has arise. Most of the
activity on the WG mailing list recently has been ten IPR claims, one of
which is against this I-D, for an unpublished patent, with possible
Royalty/Fee.
Similar claims were made three years ago, before I was involved, and the
WG pushed back on this, that the usual reciprocity clause would be ok,
possible Royalty/Fee would not be. Were those who pushed back three
years ago to see the latest claims, I would expect them to push back
again. To see the terms of these latest claims I find disappointing.
I do not understand the details of the IPR claims; I am used to a claim
being made against each successive version of an I-D up to an including
the RFC. Here, some at least of the claims would appear to relate to
earlier versions and not the current one but since much of the text is
in common, the choice of version seems irrelevant. Also, some of the
claims specify the relevant sections and one would appear to include the
IANA Considerations which seems unusual while some of the claims are in
CJK script which I do not read.
I realise that the IETF takes no position on IPR claims, that the WG
members have to decide whether or not to proceed with the work in the
presence of a claim. On one such previous occasion, the WG was
satisfied that there was prior art which would invalidate the claim and
so the work went ahead regardless of the claim; such a step is not
possible with an unpublished patent.
July is a hectic time for me so I shall look at the revised I-Ds but not
just yet. Whether or not I want to participate in the presence of the
IPR claims, I am unsure.
Tom Petch
Linda
From: Susan Hares <sha...@ndzh.com<mailto:sha...@ndzh.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 12:21 PM
To: Linda Dunbar <linda.dun...@futurewei.com<mailto:linda.dun...@futurewei.com>>;
i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for
draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
Linda:
I will review the document by Thursday (7/14) and send in a review of the
document. Would you let me know what WG LC comments were not addressed?
Cheers, Sue
From: I2nsf
<i2nsf-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf-boun...@ietf.org><mailto:i2nsf-boun...@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf-boun...@ietf.org>>>
On Behalf Of Linda Dunbar
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 1:17 PM
To:
i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org><mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org<mailto:i2nsf@ietf.org>>
Subject: [I2nsf] need more review and support to close the WGLC for
draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm
I2NF WG,
draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm WGLC was inconclusive due to lack
of support and some LC comments not properly addressed. There appeared to be
limited reviews of the document during the WGLC
See the discussion history: [I2nsf] WGLC for
draft-ietf-i2nsf-consumer-facing-interface-dm-16<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fi2nsf%2FMFOohjnJ9fbylLB9eyccMRhrp04%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Cc95feb0ac382419474b808da642adfd0%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637932432560667469%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=f9Jlz0HgQw7NO%2BKer356WyaN9toprO8WCPEUBGhkAXI%3D&reserved=0<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailarchive.ietf.org%2Farch%2Fmsg%2Fi2nsf%2FMFOohjnJ9fbylLB9eyccMRhrp04%2F&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Ca75024027d9a4ab6c20408da66d0ce70%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637935344269042118%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=q%2Bp8xozUSZyYNeGC5XLClu8Qd5Tlqsuo%2F3sZFG4U%2
BGE%3D&reserved=0>>
To proceed to publication more reviews and support from the WG for publication
is needed.
We really appreciate more people reviewing the document, especially the people
who are not the authors.
Thank you
Linda Dunbar
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