Hi Paul,

Perhaps, but the way you stated the initial request would lead one to believe otherwise.

However, the publication of RFCs will let the technologies in these two documents be widely used by the industry because they are Internet Standard Specifications even though they are
an Informational RFC and Experimental RFC, respectively.

Perhaps your intent was otherwise, but independent submissions MUST NOT be represented as standards.  Your statement on the record would leave others to question the truth of that statement if these documents were published as RFCs.  Unfortunately there is no room for subtlety on this point.

Eliot Lear
Independent Submissions Editor

On 01.08.2024 20:04, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
Hi Eliot,
Thanks for your kind opinion and guideline for the Independent Submissions
for our two drafts.

Let me clarify my intent for these independent submissions.

According to Section 2 (The Role of Independent Submissions) in RFC 4846
(Independent Submissions to the RFC Editor), we can see my intent for independent submissions:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc4846#page-4

o  Introduction of important new ideas as a bridge publication venue
   between academia and IETF engineering.

As you may see, I2NSF WG has finished the IETF standardization of the YANG data models for
I2NSF main interfaces as a concluded WG.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/i2nsf/about/

Also, NMRG as a venue for Internet Research in IRTF has published two RFCs
(RFC 9315 and RFC 9316) for Intent-Based Networking (IBN).
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc9315/
The academia has been actively researching the IBN for the last 7 years.

My intent is to bridge the academia work and I2NSF work
for security management automation based on the concept of the IBN.

What do you think about my intent befitting the above role of Independent Submissions?

Thanks.

Best Regards,
Paul

On Thu, Aug 1, 2024 at 10:16 PM Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-...@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

    Hi Paul,

    Thank you for your submissions.  However, if your intent is to
    present the completed works as Internet Standards, I can't accept
    them, as the independent stream is specifically precluded from
    producing specifications on that basis by RFC 4846.  The IETF is
    the correct place for this work to continue if and when you garner
    sufficient interest.

    Eliot Lear
    Independent Submissions Editor

    On 30.07.2024 03:58, Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong wrote:
    Hi IETF Independent Submission Editor Eliot,

    I would like to submit two I2NSF Drafts to IETF Independent
    Submission Stream.
    Event though the I2NSF WG concluded one year ago, the following
    drafts are submitted
    to the IETF Independent Submission Stream because they can
    complete Security Service
    Automation based on Intent-Based Networking (IBN) in RFC 9315.
    This submission was discussed with our I2NSF WG under the
    guidance of Linda Dunbar
    (I2NSF WG Chair).

    - Security Management Automation of Cloud-Based Security Services
    in I2NSF Framework
    . URL:
    
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation-08
    . Summary:
      The scope of this document is to propose an extension of the
    standard I2NSF framework
      such that it can perform security management automation based
    on Intent-Based Networking
      (IBN) in RFC 9315. This document augments the existing I2NSF
    framework by adding the
      features of  security policy translation, closed-loop security
    control, and security audit system
      to it. For this system augmentation, a system component called
    I2NSF Analyzer and a new
      external interface called Analytics Interface are introduced
    for Closed-Loop Security Control
      on the basis of the analysis of NSF monitoring data.
    . Purpose: Informational RFC

    - I2NSF Analytics Interface YANG Data Model
    . URL:
    
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lingga-i2nsf-analytics-interface-dm-04
    . Summary:
      The scope of this document is to propose a YANG data model for
    a new external interface
      (called Analytics Interface) between Security Controller in the
    I2NSF framework and an
      Analyzer (performing the analysis of NSF monitoring data and
    the generation of policy
      reconfiguration and feedback). With this Analytics Interface,
    the I2NSF framework can
      perform Security Management Automation in terms of Closed-Loop
    Security Control.
    . Purpose: Experimental RFC

    The two documents of
    draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation and
    draft-lingga-i2nsf-analytics-interface-dm can be published in
    either conferences or journals.
    However, the publication of RFCs will let the technologies in
    these two documents be widely
    used by the industry because they are Internet Standard
    Specifications even though they are
    an Informational RFC and Experimental RFC, respectively.

    For draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation, this
    document is needed to complete
    the I2NSF Framework in RFC 8329 (Framework for Interface to
    Network Security Functions)
    in terms of Security Management Automation based on IBN in RFC
    9315 (Intent-Based
    Networking - Concepts and Definitions).

    For draft-lingga-i2nsf-analytics-interface-dm, the YANG Data
    Model of Analytics Interface in
    draft-jeong-i2nsf-security-management-automation is
    well-synchronized with other I2NSF
    YANG Data Models (approved as RFCs) such as Consumer-Facing
    Interface, NSF-Facing
    Interface, Registration Interface, and Monitoring Interface.
    Also, the concept of this YANG
    data model was proved by the IETF-113 Hackathon Project:
    https://github.com/jaehoonpaul/i2nsf-framework/tree/master/Hackathon-113

    Adrian Farrel reviewed these two drafts and gave me lots of
    valuable comments.
    I have tried to address all of his comments on the current
    versions of the two drafts.

    Linda (as I2NSF WG Chair) will ask for the YANG doctor review for
    draft-lingga-i2nsf-analytics-interface-dm soon.

    I CC Roman Danyliw (as the previous responsible AD) and Paul
    Wouters (as a possible sponsor AD).

    If you have questions, please let me know.

    Thanks for your help and support.

    Best Regards,
    Paul
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    Department of Computer Science and Engineering
    Sungkyunkwan University
    Phone: +82-31-299-4957
    Email: paulje...@skku.edu, jaehoon.p...@gmail.com
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