Thanks Edward, I see that you have cced Yoshiki and Robin. If they don't catch this thread, I follow up with them.
thanks david On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:46 PM, Edward Cherlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:35 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:18 PM, David Van Assche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> The problem here is that edubuntu and its packages are in Ubuntu Main, > >> and for sugar to be in there, there must be no non-free software in > >> it, and squeak is not totally free. Apple fonts not being modifiable, > >> iirc. Its pretty much the same policy as debian. Scratch was recently > >> rejected from MOTU for the similar reasons. > >> > >> David Van Assche > > > > Is the issue where squeak was originally licensed under a non-free Apple > > license[1] and the squeak foundations can't locate all of the original > > contributors[2] to convert it to an mit license? > > > > 1. http://www.squeak.org/SqueakLicense/ > > 2. http://netjam.org/squeak/contributors/missingSignatories > > > > david > > That was the problem. My understanding is that it has very nearly been > dealt with. Yoshiki and Robin will know much more than I. > ===== > As mentioned in the leadership discussion minutes from Craig, the > plan now is as follows: > > - Make Squeak version 4.0. This is based on the 3.11 effort but > get rid of or rewrite code that are not relicensed and make a > fully relicensed version relatively conservatively. Etoys 4.0 is > now fully relicensed, and we can bring the removal and rewrite > changesets from that stream. > > - Craig continue to work on the Spoon based system. It is dubbed > Squeak 5.0. (My personal opinion is that because it is fairly > different, it could have a different name, but...) > > BTW, during the Etoys' relicensing effort, I made a little web app > that lets you view *all history* from Squeak V1 to the latest version: > > http://tinlizzie.org:8080/seaside/examples/authorship2 > > I can make a similar page for 3.10 or such, and also give a tool to > check the unlicened code in a particular code base. > > Ken and Mathew, how does it sound? > > -- Yoshiki > ===== > Robin Norwood > to fedora-olpc-li. > > Aug 11 > > Hi, > > For the few of you who aren't on the extensive Cc list, we've had a > discussion about the Squeak license with Fedora legal (Tom Callaway) > and VPRI (Kim Rose and others). > > To summarize: > > o As of this moment, there is probably still some code in Squeak that > has not been properly moved to the MIT license. (Mostly because the > original contributors can't be found). > > o Fedora can't accept code that is in this state. > > o Kim Rose says: > > """ > My colleagues, Yoshiki Ohshima and Bert Freudenbeg (along with a few > others) have been reviewing all code and our signed Relicensing > Agreements for the past week or so. I believe they are stripping out > any code that still remains in the image for which we do not have > signed agreements to cover. I will meet with them upon my return > from vacation week of August 18th to see exactly where we stand. > """ > > So, it looks very hopeful that squeak will soon be entirely safe to > include in Fedora, and we'll know more after the 18th. > > -RN > > -- > Robin Norwood > Red Hat, Inc. > > "The Sage does nothing, yet nothing remains undone." > -Lao Tzu, Te Tao Ching > > > -- > Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name > And Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/User:Mokurai >
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