-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:37:13PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: >At Sat, 8 Nov 2008 04:26:55 +0100, >Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 04:12:13PM -0800, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: >> >At Fri, 7 Nov 2008 19:45:00 +0100, >> >Jonas Smedegaard wrote: >> >> >> >> The Squeak image "Etoys" (the only one currently packaged >> >> officially for Debian) is in "non-free" due to ftpmasters judging >> >> it not possible for the security team to maintain throughout the >> >> (multiple year long) lifespan of a Debian release. >> > >> > Is there anywhere I can read about their reasoning behind this >> >judgement? Holger mentions "it's because the impossibility to >> >bootstrap etoys." but what exactly does that mean? >> >> That looks like a quote from a post by Holger in this thread. I >> believe he describes his judgement of current status better in his >> summary included with the Debian packaging of Etoys, that I quoted >> earlier in same thread: >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-November/002340.html >> >> >> > We had a similar discussion that covered the "security" aspect >> >(http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/devel/2008-June/015568.html and >> >emails around it). Can I see anywhere the responses to these from >> >the Debian ftpmasters? >> >> It seems those discussions took place privately between José, Holger, >> Bert and the ftpmasters. I have only ever seen the final decision >> forwarded by Bert to the IAEP list: >> >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2008-May/000699.html > > Right, the "final decision" looked like some misunderstanding >involved. After this, more discussion took place: > >http://lists.lo-res.org/pipermail/its.an.education.project/2008-June/thread.html > >so I was wondering if there was some more updates based on the >subsequent discussion. Sorry, I did not realize the importance of your reference to _later_ discussion for your question. Before I posted the above, I searched the public Debian archives and found nothing(!) relevant. So I suspect the general Debian community is completely unaware of tour hard work on relicensing Squeak, and the ftpmasters' decision to anyway judge it as non-free. As I said, it seems the discussion took place only discretely between José, Holger, Bert and ftpmasters. I is possible that new discrete discussions with ftpmasters emerged as result of (or independent from) the discussions here at IAEP and OLPC lists in June. Jim Gettys and I are Debian developers and followed those threads at IAEP and OLPC, but none of us are ftpmasters and I for one did not pass it on to other forums. Holgers published summary and his lack of different viewpoint when posting here yesterday, indicates no progress: Back in May ftpmasters recommended to openly discuss their decision at the main Debian developers' mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] The words "Squeak" and "Etoys" matched no recent posts to that mailinglist. Holger clearly stated in his summary on june 13th that he does not intend to start discussing openly until after the release of Debian Lenny (which was frozen at some point in the summer and still is not ready for release). I recommend asking the other participants of that dicrete dialogue back in may if they know of any progress. Alternatively the mailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] is open for all, so you are free to initiate a discussion about the "non-free" status of Etoys (as an example, and Squeak images generally), and to raise attention to your relicensing work and the seemling lack of results. I do not have the mental resources or detailed knowhow on the topic to do so myself. Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkVJfUACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjXngCfUFuVxwdCyJ9yYIR0RlSkXCNx li4AoKbCtpAsydLAcnRu7kEXYdBLpx/T =9ldG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep