On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 5:18 AM, Walter Bender <[email protected]> wrote:
> We could make it just be a language option. In fact, maybe we need a
> general option for Sugar where the language becomes iconic. As Gary
> suggests, not an easy design job, but at least for TurtleArt, easy
> enough to implement once we have the artwork (SVG, please).

Probably the easiest way to start is simply using the more pictorial
Chinese characters. ^_^

Here is a draft suggestion using Unicode characters. In some cases, I
use the shape of the tile to make distinctions that we can omit from
the icon. I am sure that you can improve on some of these.

Turtle art tile glyphs

Turtle  ok

clean   blank (tile shape is unique)
forward ↑
back            ↓
left            ↶
right           ↷
arc             ↺
setyx   ↗
seth            ⨁ or compasse rose
xcor            ┕
ycor            ┖
heading ⟴ or compass needle

pen             ✍
pu              ✑
pd              ✒
set pensize     •●, knob? or just distinguish tiles for setting and using
value by shape?
set color       rainbow, knob?
set shade       brightness! (saturation) lightbulb, knob?
fill screen     bucket
pensize  •●
color           rainbow
shade   lightbulb

Numbers 
number  decimal Mayan numerals (shell glyph for zero)  .  ..  ...  ....
  ̲ ̲ ̲ ̲    ̲ ̲.̲ ̲ ̲   ̲ ̲.̲̲.̲ ̲   ̲.̲.̲.̲ ̲   ̲.̲.̲.̲.̲

+               +
-               -
×               ×
÷               ÷
mod             | (as in APL)
random  ? (as in APL)
>               >
<               <
=               =
and             ∧ (as in APL)
or              ∨ (as in APL)
not             ~ (as in APL)
print           ⎙

Flow            River 川, plumbing?
wait            Railroad crossing gate
forever ⥁
repeat  ⟳
if then         split arrow pointing to then and continue slots
if then else    split arrow pointing to then and else slots
stop stack              red stop sign
-->     -->             (NOP) ok
|       |               (NOP) ok
|       |
v       v

My Blocks       mated blocks ok

stackn define   Identify with colored dots
stackn execute          Identify with colored dots
store in boxn   colored; put object into box ⎆
boxn                    colored box ◇

I also note that we have no parentheses, which are a necessity with
infix notation. We should use prefix syntax in that case. Redo the
arithmetic and logic tiles to take two inputs and yield one output,
like the comparisons, but put one above the other so that they do not
overlap when using expressions rather than single numbers in slots.

There is no while loop. Why not?

> Going in the other direction, I have just about finished a
> view-as-UCB-Logo option for Turtle Art so that you can iopen your
> project in "real" Logo. TA as a stepping stone into Logo.
>
> -walter

Thank you.

> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 8:12 AM, Gary C Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 19 Dec 2008, at 08:52, Edward Cherlin wrote:
>>
>>> I want to see if we can make a set of iconic Turtle Art tiles with no
>>> text. I have two ideas here. One is not having to localize tiles, and
>>> the other is teaching Turtle Art to preliterate pre-schoolers. I have
>>> an idea for possible icons for each, but almost no free time. Would
>>> anyone care to assist me?
>>
>> Fire away, no promises, but I am curious as to your possible icon
>> ideas - some tough concepts in there to cover just visually. I'm
>> assuming this would be an additional set of tiles (icon only)

We currently ship with folders of localized tiles. On Ubuntu, I have
en (English) and es (Spanish) in
/usr/share/activities/TurtleArt.activity/images/icons.

>> so you
>> could switch to the correct math text as you get older (ie the sets
>> Walter has been working on)?

Use correct math symbols wherever available. So + for +, × for ×.

>> --Gary
>>
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