hey there sean.... essentially there is no difference between SoaS and cd.... the problem comes from the distro specific intricacies, which can be many more than devs care to admit... I agree.. this is not a usable product unless it alll works... saying.... oh welll speak doesnt work because of x or y, is no excuse. bios has nothing to do with this, this is purely distro related... for example... on fedora we have 80% workage, on ubuntu 40 maybe 50% workage... but for those of us in the field selling this tech, this is not accpetable... I say it again.... I know its an open source project but it doesnt help funding if we cant even get the damn thing to run.... a cd, btw, is worse than a stick at this point..... at least for ubuntu.... goood luck and lets work this shit out so we finally have a solution that works in schoosl
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is absolutely vital that SoaS boot/install work in a reliable way. > Any nongeek user who can't use it will not bother reporting precise > bug information, and moreover will lose motivation to try it again. In > the case of branded USB sticks boot/install failures will make Sugar > Labs appear as a cruddy product. Branded sticks will need to work > every time. > > OK that said I ask you to bear with me since I don't know enough about > the (surely formidable) technical hurdles in succeeding boot/install. > Can anyone brief me on the importance/difficulty of the following > factors? Perhaps there is a page which enumerates these factors? > > * User difficulty configuring BIOS boot from USB > * Underlying distribution > * Recognizing hardware > * Dependencies > * Network (LAN, Internet) connectivity: configuration, absence thereof > * USB key locked in read-only mode > * Missing or buggy activities > > > Please forgive my ignorance but does SoaS generate a log at > boot/install? Are there error codes specific to Sugar? I would imagine > that's distribution-dependent... The user feedback rate could be > improved if we communicate a super-simple procedure on boot/install > failure, e.g. an e-mail address to send a boot/install log file to. As > well (perhaps this happens already?), on successful boot/install and > with Internet connnectivity, ideally the stick should phone home with > the boot log which would indicate successful SoaS/hardware > combinations and provide some statistics on how many sticks make it to > screens. Of course, per privacy concerns there should be no > user-identifiable information, or rather any such info should be > immediately anonymized. Is there a way to trap errors in each > activity, in case of error can the boot/install log be appended to, > can a user feedback agent return the updated log to us if the Net is > available? > > One more (maybe silly) question, is there a fundamental difference > between Sugar on a CD and Sugar on a Stick? > > If this has been dealt with, any pointers to resources would be appreciated. > > thank you > > Sean > > > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:34 AM, David Van Assche <dvanass...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> well this entire conversation was really brought about because I >> couldnt practice speech with my 2 nephews... Im sorry if I crossed the >> line a bit, but I think what I said needed to be said... SoaS is >> indeed the best plqtform right now and the kids not only loved it >> (one 9 the other 3) they needed no explanation for the interface... to >> them it was as natural as eating a piece of bread. >> >> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Wade Brainerd <wad...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:14 PM, David Van Assche <dvanass...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Im gonna try and make this easy: >>>>> >>>>> SoaS - the latest fedora core based >>>>> I tried to impress my 9 year old gescwister... (related one) >>>>> Speak - it will not even launch.... why is it then on a disitributed >>>>> stick? >>>> >>>> Aleksey Lim recently took over this orphaned package. Can you get in touch >>>> with him (alsroot on IRC) and help work it out? I have yet to even try >>>> SoaS >>>> but information on what activities do and don't work should be posted to >>>> http://sugarlabs.org/go/ActivityTeam/ActivityStatus so we can triage them. >>>> We are watching that page. Thus far most of our work has been migrating >>>> activities over to SL.org but hopefully we can start actually getting them >>>> to work on SoaS soon. >>> >>> On a sidenote: some of the most exciting work for me last summer was >>> Hemant's text-to-speech work, which would have real impact if its >>> integration into Sugar were completed. How close is that to being >>> possible? >>> >>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~wadeb/TypingTurtle-9.xo is the latest release but I >>>> can't guarantee it works on anything but XO. >>> >>> [Getting pretty hot...] >>> >>> SJ >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
