I agree that we should drop freeform, and choose one, iconic, layout. Then we could plan for easy searching - using tags, names, or recentness - which greyed out the unselected apps.
If we did this, my vote would be: ring up to 16 activities, then a single (non-sunflower) spiral. On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Walter Bender <[email protected]>wrote: > I haven't studied it in any scientific way, but I have never seen > anyone use freeform in the field. I can also make a strong case for > its inappropriateness in the classroom and the additional support > overhead. For simplicity-sake, if for no other reason, we should drop > it. > > That said, I cannot argue with your observation that an overloaded > ring is problematic as well. For 0.86, we should consider some of > spiral options, such as the sunflower, which are much more space > efficient. At the same time, I think the real answer lies in better > use the idea that groups of activities can be selected for the ring: a > teacher might say to the child, this week, I want everyone to put > Browse, Write, and Turrtle Art on their desktops. At home, a different > collection might be available. So maybe we can explore the notion of > collections rather than layouts? > > -walter > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I fully understand your confusion, this issue has been going back and > > forth for too long. > > > > We should probably talk this over more thoroughly before deciding > > either way. Nicholas had (and I'm assuming still has) very strong > > reservations about the ring, which caused us to reconsider it, but at > > the time it was too late to change and it made it into the build. As > > you know I was initially in favor of the ring (which I think has a > > strong iconic presence), but when I began seeing screenshots of > > overloaded rings it seemed like the favorites model perhaps wasn't > > working as well as we had hoped. > > > > This is a case where it would really help to do observations and see > > how children are using the Home view, and which of the two views they > > prefer using... Or do we have any findings and observations we can > > already draw from? > > > > For now, the question remains which view (freeform/ring) we use to > > represent Sugar. Or perhaps at least in the interim it would make > > sense to avoid Home altogether and use the Neighborhood view as the > > "signature" shot? > > > > I agree that we would ideally keep either the ring or freeform, but > > not both, for simplicity... > > > > More discussion ahead, I sense. > > > > > > Christian > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:31 PM, Walter Bender <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Hi Sean > >>> > >>> > >>> We are currently debating moving to freeform view as the default > >>> (maybe even the only) view in Home. To be on the safe side, should we > >>> use that view here instead, seeing as it already exists in the UI? > >>> CC'ing Walter for his thoughts as well... > >>> > >> > >> Boy am I ever confused. I thought (and hoped) that we were going to > >> get rid of the freeform view, not the ring view. > >> > >> -walter > >> > >> -- > >> Walter Bender > >> Sugar Labs > >> http://www.sugarlabs.org > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > [email protected] > > > > http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com > > > > 917/ 575 0013 > > > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > _______________________________________________ > Sugar-devel mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >
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