I don't know about a third, but it's worth a try. For starters, it would have to be in Spanish.
wad On Mar 19, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Sean DALY wrote: > Thanks John > > Do you think a third of the teachers would be willing to fill out a > webform like that? > > Sean > > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 1:01 PM, John Watlington <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> On Mar 19, 2009, at 7:46 AM, Sean DALY wrote: >> >>> Actually I agree with Mel, we could obtain extremely useful first- >>> hand >>> accounts which don't involve asking anyone what they like or not, >>> but >>> simply watching what they do. >>> >>> To discover how Sugar is not serving its users, we need lots of raw >>> field data. And to make good use of it, we need that data to be >>> structured. This is the bread and butter of consumer market >>> surveys... >>> just needs to be adjusted due to the young age and cultural >>> differences of the users. >> >> May I suggest the [email protected] ? >> There are thousands of teachers in South America already using Sugar. >> Many more than OLPCCorps will provide... >> >>> Most kids I know get wise as every year passes and will try to >>> answer >>> what is expected... so the trick is to talk about stuff that >>> interests >>> them, and learn while they chat about it. Linguists are constantly >>> faced with a similar problem: if you tell anyone they are to be >>> interviewed by a linguist, s/he will put on the most educated accent >>> they can muster; if you ask in a friendly way what their favorite >>> football team is, or what kind of music they like, or about an >>> important event in their life, you are guaranteed to get authentic >>> linguistic results. >>> >>> A visiting OLPCorps student could tell us: >>> * How do kids (& teachers) start their day with the XO - bright and >>> early, or at a set time every day? >>> * What Activities do they start with? >>> * Which Activities do they spend time on in class? in free time? >>> What >>> do they seem to like the most / the least? >>> * When and where are the XOs charging (=Sugar downtime)? >>> * Are the XOs always / sometimes / never, open and in use outside >>> of class >>> time? >>> * Is anyone left out (i.e. without an XO due to breakage)? >>> * Are kids helping each other when they get stuck on something? >>> * Are the XOs used in the evening? >>> >>> >>> Questions to kids can reveal very interesting information, without >>> asking for detailed criticism: >>> * "Show me some photos you took or drawings you made" -> how do they >>> search and retrieve them? >>> * "When did you take that photo?" -> Are they concerned about having >>> enough space for photos, do they delete old ones if they run low? Do >>> they get the age from the Journal, or just remembering? >>> * "Do you have brothers and sisters? Do you let them look at your >>> computer?" -> Kids will never hesitate to talk about siblings and >>> the >>> answer will reveal: Do the parents look at the computer too? >>> >>> >>> We can spend a minimum of time and yet harvest incredible >>> information >>> by making reporting easy: >>> * standardize a little list like this >>> * ask OLPCorps volunteers to look at the list and print it out >>> before >>> departure, perhaps taking notes on the printed page during the short >>> stay, but never in front of the kids >>> * ask them to submit the little report upon return (or just before) >>> through a friendly webform. Thank them! >>> >>> >>> I am sure OLPC will already be doing something similar. Although the >>> help these sickly students might bring to the sites might be >>> minimal, >>> the help they can bring to the OLPC and Sugar projects as "eyes and >>> ears" using homogenized reporting, leading to usable consolidated >>> results, is a golden opportunity I think to better know how Sugar is >>> being used across cultures. >>> >>> thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> Marketing Coordinator >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Bryan Berry >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> I highly doubt that OLPCorps personnel will be useful to Sugarlabs. >>>> Trying to work w/ them will just be a time sink. >>>> >>>> 1. Few of these folks will know anything about Sugar or really >>>> care, >>>> otherwise they would already be active on the mailing lists. >>>> >>>> 2. They are going from microbe-free Europe/North America to central >>>> Africa. I conservatively estimate that all of them will spend >>>> 1/3 to 1/2 >>>> of their stay in Central Africa sick w/ malaria or intestinal >>>> problems. >>>> I don't mean to judge Africa harshly here, if they came to rural >>>> Nepal >>>> they would spend at least 1 month sick. >>>> >>>> 3. I doubt very few of these people will be able to communicate >>>> effectively w/ the locals. This is not a language issue but a >>>> cultural >>>> one. If I go to a rural school and ask the locals how they like >>>> Sugar, >>>> they always respond "Yes, yes, it is fantastic. No complaints" >>>> If my >>>> colleague Rabi karmacharya goes, they give him a long list of >>>> complaints. Locals know not to complain to foreigners, because >>>> telling >>>> foreigners what they might not want to hear usually leads >>>> foreigners to >>>> stop giving money. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 10:57 +0100, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 06:32, Mel Chua <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought you folks might be interested in the conversation/ >>>>>> questions I >>>>>> had with Paul Commons about the OLPCorps internship program >>>>>> tonight. >>>>>> Paul's going to be moving discussions to the grassroots >>>>>> mailing list, >>>>>> so >>>>>> please reply to Paul on that list if you're interested in the >>>>>> program >>>>>> itself or the workings of it. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/grassroots/2009-March/ >>>>>> 001151.html >>>>>> >>>>>> What I /do/ want to discusson this list: given that all these >>>>>> pilots >>>>>> and >>>>>> all these student internship teams are going to be using >>>>>> Sugar, it >>>>>> seems >>>>>> like this is an awesome opportunity to... >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) get some Sugar feedback love from teachers through the >>>>>> OLPCorps >>>>>> teams >>>>>> >>>>>> 2) seed Sugar-savvy groups of university students (who can do >>>>>> things >>>>>> like deploy SoaS back home right away - there's nothing like a >>>>>> local >>>>>> deployment to work with to keep you engaged) >>>>>> >>>>>> 3) get some great Sugar use stories so we can hear about what >>>>>> our stuff >>>>>> actually /does/ for kids. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you folks think? How can we make this happen? >>>>> >>>>> I don't know that, but how we can help these groups of people >>>>> to use >>>>> Sugar more successfully? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Tomeu >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Bryan W. Berry >>>> Technology Director >>>> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Marketing mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
