On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Douglas McClendon <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill Bogstad wrote: >>... >> >> I also don't think we can leave Sugar LiveUSB to any distribution. >> My impression is that both LiveCD and LiveUSB Linux distributions are >> essentially gimmicks for all of them. > > I generally agree with the rest of your sentiments in this mail, but as the > now quasi-official 'Godfather of Fedora LiveCD' I have to respond to this > 'gimmick' claim.
I'm sorry if you were offended by the word gimmick. A better word might have been niche. From the first time, I saw Knoppix Live media system were clearly interesting and useful. However... > In summary - LiveUSB == primarily trial and installation medium. I.e. > perhaps the thing that _generates_ > 'installed-normal-nonlive-fedora-on-a-stick' on sticks whose flash is > performancewise on par or better than a usb rotating disk. Even you don't see this as a normal everyday usage model. Assuming that to be widely used, Sugar needs to support this model where do we go from here? Should Sugar wait for distributions to make it more usable? Am I wrong about this being vital to Sugar success? Linux itself got its start coming in the backdoor. Given the lack of marketing dollars available to Sugar, I think a similar strategy is worth considering. You second message about changing flash/filesystem technologies brings to mind a discussion on a different mailing list about whether SSDs are appropriate for use as journals for enterprise databases. Many people are finding that they see great performance improvements. There are quite a few netbooks out there at this point and I haven't heard anything about massive flash failures at those price points either. I'm wondering if people are just scared of the fact that flash is different then hard drives. The differences aren't all bad either. Flash doesn't suffer from head crashes where you lose read access to ALL your data. Instead, you probably slowly lose the ability to change it. Somehow that sounds better to me. When Sugar was being run an XO which had its flash soldered to the motherboard, it made sense to care alot about reducing flash writes. If SoaS is deployed with integrated XS backups of user files, so what if the USB flash drive only lasts a year or two. It's still way cheaper then the cost of an XO. [This presupposes some actual testing to determine what the typical lifespan would be.] Bill Bogstad _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
