On Wed, June 15, 2011 12:12 pm, Walter Bender wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Mikus Grinbergs <[email protected]> wrote: >>> I Am talking about the problem about the incompatibility between the >>> Sugarized programs vs the normal linux programs , like the games that >>> the children wants. There are thousands of programs in Linux that >>> don't uses the "Journal", so there are useless. >> >> This seems to be the common thread between here and earlier posts: >> >> "I know how to run program ZZZ on a non-Sugar system. Why can't I >> (easily/simply) put it on a Sugar system (for a kid who wants it)?" >> >>> I don't have to be Einstein to know that if the same problem continues >>> after more 3 or four years, it is not only technical problem. >> >> This is true. My personal comment is that I haven't noticed "to run >> programs like ZZZ" as among the goals of the OLPC. >> >> [I might *want* to marry a particular celebrity - but that doesn't mean >> that >> that celebrity would have "to marry Mikus" as one of her goals.] >> >> Does it mean the end of the world if the kid can't run ZZZ inside Sugar? >> >> Paolo - if you do not see other people planning to implement a goal of >> "to >> run programs like ZZZ inside Sugar" - being upset at the existing >> situation >> does not help - try to figure out where in this situation changes might >> be >> feasible - then start beating on doors. >> >> mikus > > Mikus, > > Thanks for your summary. FWIW, I actually think it is important that > Sugar plays well with the non-Sugar world, but it certainly wasn't an > initial priority. There are a number of initiatives underway that will > improve the situation; I mentioned a few in an early post, such as the > ability to access and edit non-Sugar files directly from within the > Sugar UI. Also, many, but not every, Sugar activities will run within > both Sugar and the GNOME desktop. > > The eventual transition to GNOME 3.0 and PYGI will make a big > difference in our ability to support more interoperability as well. > > All of that said, let me repeat an argument I made regarding the Sugar > Journal during the EduJam summit last month: we developed the Journal > not because we wanted to be incompatible with the rest of the world > but because we wanted to address some pedagogical needs. Specifically, > we want the children to have a place to reflect upon their work. The > Journal is their portfolio. Reflection requires effort and some > developers consider the prompts to write in the Journal as an > annoyance. But when I ask those same developers if they think adding a > commit message to their commits in git, they immediately understand > the value. So some of the annoyance of the Journal is because we have > not completely solved the UI issues (the good news is that Simon has > some patches landing that fix some of these issues) but some of the > annoyance is because we want to make the path of least resistance be > one where the children are prompted to be reflective-- to write in > their "lab notebooks" about what they are doing and why
This is the approach I take in Discovering Discovery, to an even greater extent. http://booki.treehouse.su/discovering-discovery/ > and to make > presentations to their teachers, parents, and fellow students about > their work. (The latter is facilitated by the new Portfolio activity.) I would like to receive Portfolios of whatever people don't understand or think works wrong, with detailed comments. We will incorporate them into Sugar documentation and into the Replacing Textbooks curriculum. > In any case, concrete feedback and criticism is welcome. Thanks. > > -walter >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> [email protected] >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > [email protected] > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
