On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Gary Martin <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Sean, > > On 17 Jun 2011, at 16:39, Sean DALY wrote: > >> FYI, I acquired a Gen1 Classmate with 7" screen (an Olidata JumPc) for >> testing purposes two years ago and with Martin Langhoff's help filed a >> ticket on this issue: >> >> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/868 > > Thanks, yes that ended up as closed as a duplicate of: > > http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/308 > > Which is reported as fixed (though not something I have tested myself). > > If reports filtering through that Uyaguay have indeed already purchased > 30,000 (!!) of these for use by teachers then we need to try and get tickets > open for all the major cases. Hopefully we will also see some support from > the Uy deployment as when saving money thru buying cheaper but different spec > hardware, putting some efforts in bringing the needed software up to the > deployments requirements must be expected. > >> this photo of mine may be helpful to see what we're talking about: >> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/39656470@N02/3648785920/in/photostream > > Thanks, I think I also caught a photo of it from the recent EduJam flickr > stream, nice to see you were well ahead of the storm front ;-) > >> I remember being told that there were no plans to scale Sugar screens >> to work with 480, that 600 was the minimum > > I'm happy to tweak activities I directly maintain if needed, and provide some > design suggestions for others if needed (as long as we don't degrade the > experience for the majority). But if the 30k Uy purchase of these machines is > an accurate report, we should try to help where we can (understanding that > the majority of us are volunteers putting what free time we have into the > effort).
I think the easiest thing would be to add a scrolling window...only if the resolution is below some threshold; not ideal in some cases, but at least most activities should work. -walter > > Regards, > --Gary > >> Sean >> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Gary Martin <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On 17 Jun 2011, at 14:42, Esteban Bordón wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> We'll try to start to fix the most interest activities. >>> >>> Thanks for your screenshots. I've created a ticket for Cartoon Builder, >>> TamTamMini, and Distance, if you could report and take more screenshots of >>> other activities you discover that would be very helpful: >>> >>> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2900 >>> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2901 >>> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2902 >>> >>> Some background FWIW: Much of Sugar and its activities were designed with >>> the 1200x900 screen in mind, luckily with the XO screen rotation feature >>> most developers were also often reminded and aware of needing to make sure >>> their design layouts were flexible enough to work at 900x1200. When Sugar >>> Labs was spun off from OLPC to work on Sugar, there was much effort from SL >>> to make Sugar more hardware agnostic and work on more traditional laptops, >>> part of this meant that 1024x768 was much more commonly being used and >>> tested by developers; and the default when running Sugar in a window under >>> Gnome was 800x600, which has been generally treated as the worst case >>> scenario. So it's that 480 vertical pixels count, a reduction of 120 from >>> our assumed worst case, that's catching some of us out ;-) >>> >>> Regards, >>> --Gary >>> >>>> regards, >>>> >>>> Esteban. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/6/17 Walter Bender <[email protected]> >>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Esteban Bordón >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> In most cases the problem is specific of the activities, then people must >>>>> modify the activities one by one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2011/6/16 Caryl Bigenho <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Esteban (and all), >>>>>> It would be wonderful if you or someone else could write up some very >>>>>> easy >>>>>> to follow instructions for doing the screen scaling, in Spanish, for the >>>>>> teachers in Uruguay. Don't assume anything. Pretend the teacher is a >>>>>> total >>>>>> beginner (on the Olidata many will be). Make it a "Grannie's Guide" type >>>>>> document and they will love you forever for doing it! >>>>>> Caryl (aka "GrannieB") >>>>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:58:43 -0300 >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay >>>>>> >>>>>>> One of the most noticeable source for incompatibilities seems to be >>>>>>> screen definition, 800x600 in the Olidata, and thus several Activities >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> cropped, >>>>>> >>>>>> Screen definition is 800x480 ... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ouch, quite a few Activity toolbars will likely overflow at 800x600 >>>>>> (overflow widgets land in a drop down menu in the far right of the >>>>>> toolbar >>>>>> that shows the text from the tool button hint only). The XO is a 1200x900 >>>>>> screen, about a year or two back there was general consensus that we >>>>>> should >>>>>> try and make sure Activities worked well down too 1024x768 as that was >>>>>> common in emulated environments and regular laptops/desktops. >>>>>> >>>>>> These 800x600 display machines will want to make sure they are running >>>>>> Sugar using an environmental variable of SUGAR_SCALING=72, this will >>>>>> shrink >>>>>> the UI scale down to fit the lower screen resolution. SUGAR_SCALING >>>>>> currently only has an effect at either 72 (works well for 800x600 and >>>>>> 1024x768) or 100 (for 1200x900 or larger). >>>>>> >>>>>> With SUGAR_SCALING=72 Sugar have some problems showing properties of a >>>>>> journal entry for example. I trying to set lower values of SUGAR_SCALING >>>>>> but >>>>>> I have not getting good results. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Esteban. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education >>>>>> Project (not a laptop project!) 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