2011/10/30 Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Sebastian Silva > <sebast...@somosazucar.org> wrote: > > Hi Walter > > Thanks for sharing your concerns. > > I'm cc'ing IAEP as there is no reason for confidentiality. > > I have been responding to the threads you guys started... hadn't > noticed that they had not been inclusive. Glad to see that now they > are. > > > > > I hope I can convince you of the importance of supporting > > the Local Lab in the articulation of an effort to involve the > > wider society in the selection of software and content their > > children get with their machines. > > I need no convincing of that. > > > > > We have heard about lots of machine downtime related to the > > activation / "security" system. Peru is in an offline context: > > "activation lease" is distributed on USB keys for an entire year, > > instead of the week they were designed to. This means in the > > beginning of the year your computer does not work until > > some USB key arrives to the most remote locations of Peru. > > Not sure what you mean by "designed to". As far as the leasing system, > it is up to the deployment to make these decisions. I applaud your > efforts to improve upon the situation, but I think it is outside of > the context of Sugar Labs itself. > > > > > In these conditions the "security" system has basically become > > DRM at the service of Education Ministries. For this reason our > > group is going to recommend the disabling of the security system. > > I don't particularly agree with that characterization, but again, I am > in personally favor of advocating the unlocking of machines where it > is safe to do so. > > > > > We believe each Local Lab should be in the technical > > conditions to provide services to their deployments and find > > sustainibility in this - so this is the ultimate strategic objective of > > the event. > > I also applaud that goal, although I don't yet understand your > strategy for achieving it. > > > > > We will be holding a panel on the second day of the Sugar Camp > > Lima 2011: > > "10 recomendaciones para el proyecto Una Laptop Por Niño", > > to which you are heartfully invited to participate. > > Recommendations are of course always welcome. I don't know what your > 10 are, but I am sure many of us in the community have some to > contribute. > > > > > I hope the information contained here and in the following > > answers are enough for SLOBs to take a vote on the two > > tickets requested. > > > > Thanks, > > Sebastian > > PS: my answers below > > > > 2011/10/29, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>: > >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Sebastian Silva > >> <sebast...@somosazucar.org> wrote: > >>> SLOBs, > >>> Laura sent this email to SLOBs but it seems to not have passed > moderation! > >>> Maybe this will help clear out any doubts about our objectives and our > >>> level of commitment. > >>> > >>> Walter, do not hesitate to direct any concerns to our public list or > >>> the organization comittee at ma...@somosazucar.org. Also detailed > >>> information can be found at this working site: > >>> https://sites.google.com/a/somosazucar.org/sucarcamplima2011/ > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Sebastian > >>> > >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > >>> From: Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> > >>> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:50:53 -0500 > >>> Subject: SugarCamp Lima 2011 tickets request > >>> To: sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > >>> Cc: juancam...@somosazucar.org, Sebastian Silva > >>> <sebast...@somosazucar.org>, k...@somosazucar.org, kikomayorga > >>> <k...@escuelab.org> > >>> > >>> > >>> Hello dear SLOBs, > >>> > >>> Here in Perú, we are at full speed preparing Sugar Camp > >>> Lima 2011. The deployment is on a very interesting turning > >>> point: > >>> - There is a new administration (yei!) > >>> - There are over 500,000 locked machines on field O.O > >>> - Less than 2% has connectivity.. > >> > >> Is this accurate? From what I have heard, this number is off by an > >> order of magnitude. Could you please check? In any case, what can > >> Sugar Labs do to help improve the situation? > > > > Yes this is accurate. > > The latest IADB study of July 2010 reads exactly 1.4%: > > http://tinyurl.com/4x9bcrw > > I'll have to ask BID and MEC to reconcile their numbers. In any case, > I am not sure what Sugar Labs can do about this. > > I totally agree, *numbers* are the most important part of this constructive discussion. The IADB study is just a representative sample of the Total Deployment. Lack of accuracy is a strong weakness that needs to addressed by the Deployment Locally.
> > >> > >>> - The image they are using today is not updated nor adapted > >>> (ex. loss of WiFi on suspend, English language by default). > >>> - It is also incompatible with newer Activities, because of lack > >>> of support for new toolbars (Sugar 0.84 or even 0.82). > >> > >> As I understand it, they have a new image in the works. Is the plan to > >> work with them on improving it or to replace it with something else? > >> If the latter, what is the rationale? > > > > Our plan is always to try to be helpful. > > For this project the plan is to produce an image officially supported > > by somosAZUCAR - Sugar Labs Peru. We are always open to collaborate > > with them on improving their 2013 release. > > Good to hear you will help with the 2013 release. > > > > >>> - We, as a local lab, are looking forward to create a *sustainable > >>> model* by formalizing our relationship with authorities in charge of > >>> the deployment. > >> > >> Could you please elaborate a bit on what that means? > > > > I'll leave that to Laura. :o) > Our goal is to engage in *Service Level Agreements*, with regional deployments. Consider us as a start-up with good intentions! We hope we can count with your support and your wisdom here at SugarCamp Lima 2011. > > > >>> > >>> SugarCamp Lima 2011 will showcase the best our community has to > >>> offer both in software as in content customization. By collaboratively > >>> producing an *updated image of sugar*, sugar camp Lima 2011, > >>> promises to become a memorable experience for all of us. > >> > >> I appreciate wanting to bring in great people, but I don't understand > >> what you mean when you refer to creating an updated image of sugar. > >> > > She means an updated operating system image with an updated version > > of Sugar. > > > > From another thread: > >>> We are preparing an image for a region of Peru, Puno. This image will > >>> feature updated software, translations to Quechua and Aymara (Puno is > >>> the stronghold of ancient Andean culture) as well as content specific > >>> for their context (e.g. "Map My Lake Activity" in development for > >>> measuring and monitoring water quality levels around Lake Titicaca). > >>> So this is more than just internationalization. > >>> > >>> From the technical side I can add that: > >>> We will be using Sugar 0.94 both on XO1 and regular computers > >>> (Dextrose 3 for one, Trisquel for the others). By doing this we expect > >>> to build on the integration work already done by others and contribute > >>> to both projects. > > > > Our focus will be on providing the users the best possible experience for > > their context and culture, in a stable release. > > > > There is much work to do to make a "stable' release beyond > integration. I wonder if it is efficient to have 3+ different > integration efforts going on concurrently. But I suppose you have a > rationale. > > >>> > >>> There is a lot of enthusiasm among local and global community members! > >> > >> Great. > >> > >>> > >>> Technical team have requested the tickets of Aleksey [alsroot] who will > >>> help with the integration work and Ruben Rodriguez [quidam] who is the > >>> Trisquel project leader. > >> > >> Integration of what? > > > > Integration of translations, of sugar versions/patches, content. > > I will be preparing a "continuous integration" environment for the > marathon. > > Translator Team will be able to test drive their translations. Content > Team > > will be able to test user experience and content selection. We have > > coordinators for each of those tasks. > > > >> > >>> > >>> Any suggestion and/or additional support is welcome. > >> > >> My suggestion is a bit more clarity of the goals. > > and to work upstream!!! > > >> > >> regards. > >> > >> -walter > >> > >>> > >>> Best, > >>> > >>> laura > >>> > >>> cc local lab perú > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sebastian Silva > >>> http://somosazucar.org/ > >>> "Te imaginas si te pudieran enseñar sólo a leer pero no a escribir??" > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Walter Bender > >> Sugar Labs > >> http://www.sugarlabs.org > >> > > > > > > 2011/10/29, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com>: > >> On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Sebastian Silva > >> <sebast...@somosazucar.org> wrote: > >>> I've answered separately forwarding an email by Laura Vargas with our > >>> strategic perspective and rationale for objectives. Also a link to a > >>> detailed agenda of the event. > >>> > >>> We are preparing an image for a region of Peru, Puno. This image will > >>> feature updated software, translations to Quechua and Aymara (Puno is > >>> the stronghold of ancient Andean culture) as well as content specific > >>> for their context (e.g. "Map My Lake Activity" in development for > >>> measuring and monitoring water quality levels around Lake Titicaca). > >>> So this is more than just internationalization. > >>> > >>> From the technical side I can add that: > >>> We will be using Sugar 0.94 both on XO1 and regular computers > >>> (Dextrose 3 for one, Trisquel for the others). By doing this we expect > >>> to build on the integration work already done by others and contribute > >>> to both projects. > >> > >> This makes it more clear at least why you want Reuben and Aleksey to > >> come to Peru. > >> > >>> > > > > Best of luck. > > -walter > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org >
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