On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:16 AM, James Cameron <[email protected]> wrote:
> Anish, perhaps remove "educationally focused" as a description of > companies doing this. Why would only educationally focused companies > do it? > > I didn't imply that. What I wanted to say was educationally focused companies are doing this "as well", which is relevant to this email list (iaep, unleashkids). The links you post below are representative of a larger issue. > See for example; > > > http://theconversation.com/junk-food-advertisers-put-profits-before-childrens-health-and-we-let-them-51250 > > We tried self-regulation. What happened was we let people suffer when > market forces are allowed to substitute for regulation and law. > > Bring back choice by the people; > > > http://theconversation.com/democracy-that-bows-down-to-the-market-is-a-false-compromise-49135 > > At heart, the idea of a company; a robotic organisation that can > declare limited liability, now seems less ethical than full liability. > > This discussion thread seems mostly wasted time. Without fixing the > underlying causes, the bugs will come back. > > I found it quite enlightening, the recent fire tablet thread. Here's a sampling of comments (w/o attribution) *"Well, in spite of the ads, I am enjoying my tablet""on flights to and from Texas I watched a few movies""I'm enjoying mine for what it is. The free 6-month Washington Post subscription alone is a $51 value.""Tablets, on the other hand, are immediately recognized as status objects, and everyone likes it when they're new.""We're not interested in computer science, coding, or a constructivist learning model.""I had the option of paying $15 more per tablet to avoid ads, but I didn't consider that an essential feature so I didn't pay""The "special offers" appear only on the startup screen, no where else. Not a big deal,"* It seems the kool-aid has been drunk. Why blame the companies only! > On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 08:55:29AM +0530, Anish Mangal wrote: > > You can be sure that if google is doing it, a large number of smaller > more > > educationally focused companies are in this as well. It is perhaps not > worth > > EFFs time to go after them individually. > > > > This just highlights the risks of living your life on the cloud, and why > > increasingly, movements like [1]http://redecentralize.org/ are gathering > > momentum. It maybe okay for adults, but with children, taking their > decisions > > for them with huge future implications for their lives - a lot more > thought > > needs to go in (eg: the recent amazon fire tablet thread) > > > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Adam Holt <[2][email protected]> wrote: > > > > ReCode has a useful summary of today's back+forth accusations down > below. > > > > But younger students may want to understand first, who invited the > > advertising industry into the classroom in the 1st place: > > > > [3]https://epic.org/privacy/student/ > > [4]http://www.studentprivacymatters.org > > [5]https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/research/studentprivacy > > [6]https://washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/06/ > > why-a-student-privacy-bill-of-rights-is-desperately-needed/ > > > > On Dec 2, 2015 8:32 PM, "Adam Holt" <[7][email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Google goes for the Trump defense, denying everything: > > > > > > [8]http://googleforeducation.blogspot.com/2015/12/ > > the-facts-about-student-data-privacy-in.html > > > > > > EFF clarifies Google’s Student Tracking Isn’t Limited to Chrome > Sync: > > > > > > [9]https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/12/ > > googles-student-tracking-isnt-limited-chrome-sync > > > > ReCode Summary Excerpt: > > > > 'The EFF, in its Wednesday post, admits that Sync can be a useful > service, > > but stresses that students shouldn’t be “guinea pigs in Google’s > efforts to > > improve its products” without the explicit approval of their parents. > > > > “Google is creating this little army of loyal users. These kids are > being > > conditioned to give up their personal data in order to go online,” > said > > Cope, the EFF lawyer. “There’s just a lot of opaqueness of what data > > they’re collecting and how they’re using it.” > > > > More than 200 companies have signed the Student Privacy Pledge, > including > > Apple and Microsoft. (Google actually initially declined to sign the > > pledge, citing its existing privacy rules, [10]but then changed > course a > > week later.) > > > > A rep for the FTC confirmed that the agency had received the EFF > complaint, > > but declined to comment further. > > > > Google was [11]forced to pay a $22.5 million fine to the FTC in > 2012 to > > settle charges for tracking Apple iPhone users. > > > > Tech companies have all benefited from a White House initiative to > prepare > > students for the 21st century. Google may be the biggest > beneficiary; while > > its affordable Chromebooks have not seen wide consumer traction, > they’ve > > taken off in schools. IDC estimates that sales of the devices grew > by 310 > > percent last year, surpassing sales from Microsoft and Apple.' > > > > In Full: > > [12]http://recode.net/2015/12/02/ > > google-no-were-not-snooping-on-students-with-our-chromebooks-apps/ > > > > > On Dec 2, 2015 1:00 PM, "Adam Holt" <[13][email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > >> On Dec 2, 2015 11:02 AM, "Jerry Vonau" <[14][email protected]> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > That was one of the fears I had about enabling sugar's > webservices[1]. > > I was refusing to implement that functionality in the AU images as > each > > territory in AU has a different education department with different > rules, > > but was available in the SL testing images that were being produced > by > > myself the time. Now I have to ask the question has SugarLabs or > other > > deployments such as OneEducation signed the "Student Privacy > Pledge"? Even > > as a non-profit I would still consider them a company just protected > by a > > corporate shield. > > >> > > >> Careful! > > >> > > >> When [15]http://studentprivacypledge.org appears to be a shill > quickly > > created by an advertising industry/Doubleclick/AOL alum, funded by > the > > likes of Axciom ([16]http://youtu.be/F7P2ViCRObs !) whose business > models > > inherently compel "astroturf" DC lobbying to avoid student privacy > > practices with teeth. > > >> > > >> Very clever name they chose ("Future of Privacy") as if DC > lobbyists > > will have the final word on our mental-spiritual futures? Even if > Amazon > > still refuses to sign the Student Privacy Pledge 14 months later, > that they > > and Google helped fund, comical if it weren't real peoples lives > they were > > playing with? > > >> > > >> At least the presumptuous "Future of Privacy" is honest enough to > > outline at [17]https://fpf.org/about/ that they are DC lobbyists for > > business as usual ("self-regulation") rather than informed > student/family > > consent. Yet more unreadable disclaimers, rather than tight > clarity, and > > clean recourse with teeth. > > >> > > >> With so much DC lobbying money sloshing around ([18] > https://fpf.org/ > > about/supporters/) they will certainly be a player! Driving home > Silicon > > Valley's predominant > "our-antiprivacy-is-so-much-better-than-the-NSA's" > > mindset into 2016's elections, and far beyond? > > >> > > >> Ourselves, we should start with Global Educators, who _genuinely_ > care > > about student/community autonomy, the environment, and > self-determination > > as a life trajectory. Beyond DC entrapment and the latest Wall > Street > > earnings target --- here instead are folks with Actual Backbones, > opening > > avenues of HOPE not fatalism: > > >> > > >> [19]http://studentdataprinciples.org > > >> [20] > https://www.unglobalcompact.org/take-action/action/child-rights > > >> [21]https://www.eff.org/issues/student-privacy > > >> [22]http://childrenandbusiness.org > > >> > > >> > Just my nickel's worth, > > >> > > > >> > Jerry > > >> > > > >> > 1. [23]https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Web_Services > > >> > > > >> > On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:33 AM, Adam Holt <[24][email protected]> > wrote: > > >> >> > > >> >> Electronic Frontier Foundation says Google collects data from > > students and uses it to target ads and improve its products. > > >> >> > > >> >> "The digital rights group said Google’s use of the data, > collected > > through its Google for Education program, puts the company in breach > of > > Section 5 of the Federal Communications Act and asked the Federal > Trade > > Commission to investigate. > > >> >> > > >> >> Despite publicly promising not to, Google mines students’ > browsing > > data and other information, and uses it for the company’s own > purposes,” > > the EFF said..." > > >> >> > > >> >> "Last month, Google said more than 50 million students and > teachers > > around the globe were using Google Apps for Education, along with 10 > > million Chromebooks. The Google-powered laptops are “the best-selling > > device in U.S. K-12 schools,” according to Google. > > >> >> > > >> >> But the EFF has some issues with the way Google delivers those > > services. It says the company records everything students do while > they’re > > logged into their Google accounts, regardless of the device or > browser > > they’re using, including their search history, the search results > they > > click on and the videos they watch on YouTube. > > >> >> > > >> >> Google aggregates and anonymizes the data collected through its > > education services, the EFF said, but not when the students are > using other > > Google services. And it argues that truly anonymizing data is > “difficult to > > the point of being impossible,” especially when it’s tied to > identifiable > > accounts at the time of collection. > > >> >> > > >> >> Google’s practices “fly in the face of commitments made when it > > signed the Student Privacy Pledge,” the EFF said, referring to a > document > > signed by 200 companies including Google, Microsoft and Apple..." > > >> >> > > >> >> [25]http://www.pcworld.com/article/3011076/privacy/ > > google-accused-of-tracking-school-kids-after-it-promised-not-to.html > > >> >> > > >> >> -- > > >> >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [26] > http://unleashkids.org > > ! > > >> >> --- > > >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > Groups "Unleash Kids" group. > > >> >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, > > send an email to [27][email protected]. > > >> >> For more options, visit [28]https://groups.google.com/d/optout > . > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [29] > http://unleashkids.org ! > > >> > --- > > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > Groups "Unleash Kids" group. > > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > it, send > > an email to [30][email protected]. > > >> > For more options, visit [31]https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > -- > > Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ [32]http://unleashkids.org > ! > > --- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "Unleash Kids" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send an > > email to [33][email protected]. > > For more options, visit [34]https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > References: > > > > [1] http://redecentralize.org/ > > [2] mailto:[email protected] > > [3] https://epic.org/privacy/student/ > > [4] http://www.studentprivacymatters.org/ > > [5] https://cyber.law.harvard.edu/research/studentprivacy > > [6] > https://washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2014/03/06/why-a-student-privacy-bill-of-rights-is-desperately-needed/ > > [7] mailto:[email protected] > > [8] > http://googleforeducation.blogspot.com/2015/12/the-facts-about-student-data-privacy-in.html > > [9] > https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/12/googles-student-tracking-isnt-limited-chrome-sync > > [10] > http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/01/20/google-changes-course-signs-student-data-privacy-pledge/ > > [11] > http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390443404004577579232818727246 > > [12] > http://recode.net/2015/12/02/google-no-were-not-snooping-on-students-with-our-chromebooks-apps/ > > [13] mailto:[email protected] > > [14] mailto:[email protected] > > [15] http://studentprivacypledge.org/ > > [16] http://youtu.be/F7P2ViCRObs > > [17] https://fpf.org/about/ > > [18] https://fpf.org/about/supporters/ > > [19] http://studentdataprinciples.org/ > > [20] https://www.unglobalcompact.org/take-action/action/child-rights > > [21] https://www.eff.org/issues/student-privacy > > [22] http://childrenandbusiness.org/ > > [23] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Web_Services > > [24] mailto:[email protected] > > [25] > http://www.pcworld.com/article/3011076/privacy/google-accused-of-tracking-school-kids-after-it-promised-not-to.html > > [26] http://unleashkids.org/ > > [27] mailto:unleashkids%[email protected] > > [28] https://groups.google.com/d/optout > > [29] http://unleashkids.org/ > > [30] mailto:unleashkids%[email protected] > > [31] https://groups.google.com/d/optout > > [32] http://unleashkids.org/ > > [33] mailto:[email protected] > > [34] https://groups.google.com/d/optout > > > _______________________________________________ > > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > > [email protected] > > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > -- > James Cameron > http://quozl.netrek.org/ >
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