I certainly appreciate the attention my email has received. However, I
am disappointed that the responses do not reflect my main concern. I
Sugar and Sugar Labs will fade away if it continues to be perceived as
the software that comes on an XO. I believe Sugar Labs and Sugar should
be perceived as in a similar relationship as Red Hat is to Fedora and
Canonical is to Ubuntu.
We need to have releases of Sugar: Long-term-support, latest stable, and
developer. These releases should be downloadable as a single image which
can be installed from a livecd usb stick generated by a dd command. The
starting point is probably SOAS - which is not now installable without a
technically difficult use of livecd tools in a Fedora 24 installation
(which is difficult since Fedora provides Fedora 25).
As an evaluation of Sugar Lab's success is that the Mexican deployment
presented in the OLPC SF Summit chooses to use Sugar instead of UberMix.
We should be able to speak about Sugar deployments as we now speak about
OLPC deployments. Sugar should be available for PCs and mobile devices
with xo being considered as one of the supported environments.
If no action is taken except to discuss future academic papers about
Sugar Labs and SLOB elections, I think both will become totally
irrelevant. Current OLPC deployments will choose new hardware to replace
XOs and install on this hardware Windows, Raspbian, Chrome OS, UberMix
or other readily available and supported alternatives. Sugar will join
APL and Cobol in computer history.
On 12/02/2016 07:16 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
There is a IAEP thread "Preparing for the 2017 SLOB Election" in early
August that has more details about all this.
First, I want to note that while an 'election committee' has been
mentioned, Walter said in that earlier thread:
I am of the opinion that SLOB does not have to approve individual
membership in committees. SLOB responsibility vis-a-vis committees
is to appoint a representative. So I don't think we need a motion.
As Caryl and Seb have reiterated on this thread: while they both
helped run the election last year, they both said a few months ago
that they are unable to volunteer for this year.
At that time I offered to volunteer, as did Samson; and I found a
possible web app to run the election and suggested Samuel Cantero
could set it up, and he graciously did set it up.
However, by September, (a) the GSOC project to make a font editor
activity wound up, and (b) Sameer offered to lead the vision thing,
and until that is done I am not confident about taking any other
actions, and (c) I accepted an employment offer by Google and have had
less free time since then compared to when I was working as a
consultant, so I haven't done more of the things I said I would do. I
wrote on August 5:
So, I volunteer to do the following before the next SLOB meeting:
- I will ask Sam C to set up a new
<mailto:sugar-annou...@lists.sugarlabs.org> mailing list with
himself, myself, samson, caryl and seb as list admins.
- I will complete the review of all accounts on the wiki to mark
the ones that look like spammers
- I will make a final 'all possible members' email list
- I will draft the email that asks people to join the announce
list and explains why I am asking them to do this, and a motion to
approve the election email, and share it on the IAEP list for
- I will ask SLOBs to post and second the motion
Then in early September I can send the email, and prepare a report
with the new list of members and similarly to before another draft
email soliciting board applications for SLOB to review and approve
in the October meeting.
Then in early October I can send that email, perhaps also with the
donation request, and then prepare a final email calling for votes
that SLOB can review and approve in the November meeting.
Then in early November the call for votes can go out, votes can
come in, and in early December the results can be announced.
I still think this process is a good one, but regretfully I am not
going to be able to put much effort into this until January at the
So, I suggest that Samson and anyone who wants to volunteer to run the
election take a look at that web app with Sam C and see if it really
will work for Sugar Labs in 2016.
If not, http://civs.cs.cornell.edu was used last year and should be a
suitable mechanism for people to cast votes.
Finally, I think the very next step is for whoever volunteers to run
the election to come up with a list of members emails to solicit votes
from. (Where the discussions last trailed off was in discussing who
should be on this 'final members list' - I think we agreed to cast a
very wide net, and I made some progress reviewing wiki accounts and,
defining the members list based on wiki + mailing list posters. I am
happy to share that WIP and explain what I would do next with it, but
it may be better for the person to start their own list.)
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