On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Adam Holt <h...@laptop.org> wrote: > 1) Lionel is correct to suggest that some-or-most of the $2800 could > disappear, if France rejects visas (every reasonably-priced flight is > non-refundable in 2017; these funds would be lost). Not at all an abstract > hypothetical: France's visa approval process may require the flight be > purchased in advance, and Samson's expenses traveling around Nigeria > (flights, hotels etc) just to get a visa potentially be lost as well. >
I think i will have do flight reservation to Bordeaux, https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/flight-itinerary-visa-application/ But my expenses traveling around Nigeria is really important because that how i can the visa. If i don't make the trip no visa. > > In any case, I cannot count the number of times this has happened to good > people with the *Very Best of Intentions*, people I've known to be the > purest souls, whose visa AND flight funds completely disappeared as a > result of their overseas visas/entry being rejected, based on one > mysterious technicality or another. > > Worse yet: the (presumed, but not quite!) attendee generally has to pay > for all lost funds themselves in such situations, as compensation is not > possible when the conference/event was not in fact attended. > > 2) $2800 is far too high of a sum for Sugar Labs to gamble on such an > uncertain outcome. Some of the most productive hackers I know in Haiti > live on $1000 per year total (or less). I have flown to work with them and > similar/such people on other continents over the past year, where the grand > total cost was less than $500 (Asia and Europe) in all cases, by staying in > other hackers/contributors homes. > Traveling from Nigeria is expensive, i had also have some experience when i went to Nairobi. For Ibiam a cheap travel plan would be PHC -- LOS -- PAR -- BOD, which would cost around - €1127 ($1250) A hotel room for 7 nights costs about € 252.44 ($280) Visa and Passport costs about € 149 ($165) Conference fee €40 ($44.37) Miscellaneous € 100($111) Totalling € 1668.4($1851) , most figures rounded up. > > Conversely, flying to the EU mid-summer in the height of tourist season, > is about as expensive as it gets. > > As such, a more financially judicious gamble might involve a carefully > thought-out proposal for one single individual to attend. Likely an > individual who has the strongest track record of getting EU visas > approved? Or perhaps an individual who has established contacts / > diplomatic connections within the French government, a high-level contact > who cares about children and free software etc, to guarantee the visa will > be approved? > More explanation please, i didn't really get the point. > > 3) Laura Vargas is correct SFC cannot generally provide funds in advance, > so the mechanics of this entire proposal remain unclear. Not reassuring > when flight prices are already rising less than 2 months before the event. > But possibly a (presumed) attendee can arrange a personal loan from a > friend, to cover all funds in advance, to be reimbursed by SFC later if > nothing goes wrong with the visa? > I will reach out to the scratch team in bordeaux then discuss about it. > > 4) If an improved proposal is indeed appropriate at this late stage, what > community deliverables/artifacts will the attendee(s) publish and/or > contribute in the end, preferably on the public record for all to share? > I don't understand, could you explain more. > > ASIDE: What is the exact/estimated total that Scratch itself has offered > to contribute? > They will pay my(Samson) flight (PHC > Lagos > Paris > Bordeaux), hotel, foods and visa. > > > On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu> wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Sameer >> >> On May 19, 2017 9:01 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> +1 >>> >>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 11:56 AM, Sameer Verma <sve...@sfsu.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> I second. >>>> >>>> Sameer >>>> >>>> On May 19, 2017 5:50 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Perhaps someone can second the motion so we can begin voting? >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 4:28 AM, Samson Goddy < >>>> samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you all for the positive comments. But i am little sad that >>>>> since wednesday, only one vote has been made. Where we have 7 SLOBs member >>>>> in this community. I am pleading to other SLOBs member to come and vote, >>>>> so >>>>> that i and Ibiam can have idea what to do next if this motion passes or >>>>> not. Because if this motion pass, we will have to wait for SFC 30 days >>>>> policy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Samson Goddy >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:49 AM, Ignacio Rodríguez < >>>>> igna...@sugarlabs.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> It's +1 from me :) >>>>>> I've seen some pictures on Facebok and I love what you both are >>>>>> doing, awesome work, Samson and Ibiam. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Ignacio.- >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Avni Khatri < >>>>>> a...@kidsoncomputers.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Same. Not a member of SLOB but agree it's a well written proposal. +1 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 7:23 PM, Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a well thought out proposal for a worthy project. I am not a >>>>>>> member of the SLOB so I can't vote. But I do hope it is approved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Caryl >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Walter Bender <walter.ben...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Samson and Ibiam are seeking funds to cover part of the cost to >>>>>>> attend the Scratch Conference in Bordeaux France in July to promote >>>>>>> Sugar. >>>>>>> The detailed proposal is here [1]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Motion: Sugar Labs agrees to cover up to US$2800 for expenses >>>>>>> related to traveling to the Scratch2017BDX, 17th to 22nd of July, 2017 >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> Samson Goddy and Ibiam Chihurumnaya. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/152VDfUcdcGOHOFBLT3lG >>>>>>> 15sUFpzBeuBCGiNAGCSOLj4/edit?usp=sharing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -walter >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Walter Bender >>>>>>> Sugar Labs >>>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SLOBs mailing list >>>>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Walter Bender >>>> Sugar Labs >>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Walter Bender >>> Sugar Labs >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org >>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> -- >> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep> >> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep> >> Unsung Heroes of OLPC, interviewed live @ >> <http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep>http://unleashkids.org ! >> > > _______________________________________________ > SLOBs mailing list > sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs > >
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