On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> wrote:
> I totally agree with walter with the point of simplicity. It is almost > impossible to get money from SFC and i believe if we want to agree on this > motion. It should be included as responsibility. > Please explain how this proposal addresses the issue I referred to. I don't see how more professional reporting on our part impacts the internal workings of the SFC. -walter > > Ignacio had same experience, i am having the same issue now. > > On Aug 10, 2017 1:53 PM, "Walter Bender" <walter.ben...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I disagree. While the quality of the reporting left much to be desired, >> the relative importance of this issue to our organization seems to be >> pretty minor. That said, if there was some assurance that a FM could >> somehow light a fire under the SFC regarding responsiveness to financial >> inquiries, e.g., Samson's request for a travel advance to procure his visa, >> then I would be all for it. But that seems to be a structural issue within >> the SFC, not within Sugar Labs. >> >> -walter >> >> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:36 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongo...@sugarlabs.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah i totally agree... >>> >>> +1 Laura >>> >>> >>> regards >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:34 PM, Laura Vargas <la...@somosazucar.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hi SLOB's and members all, >>>> >>>> I think we should learn from experience and start compensating doing >>>> all this work for Sugar Lab's Organization [keeping track of communications >>>> and transactions with the Software Freedom Conservancy]. >>>> >>>> >>>> Motion: *Sugar Labs Financial Manager will have a monthly compensation >>>> of US$ TBD* in exchange for: >>>> 1 complete financial report per quarter and it's publication on the >>>> Sugar Labs Finance Wiki page maximum 30 calendar days after the end of the >>>> period. The format to be used should be compatible with the >>>> International Financial Reporting Standards* or it's equivalent in the >>>> U.S.. >>>> >>>> *see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Financial_Report >>>> ing_Standards >>>> >>>> >>>> To approve the proposed motion simplifies the July, 2016 SLOB's >>>> motion/decision >>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions>, assigns a >>>> monthly compensation for the Financial Manager and above all, *assures >>>> community has timely access to reports*. >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope another SLOB can second the motion in order to start voting. >>>> Suggestions to define the value are also welcome from all, specially from >>>> Adam :D >>>> >>>> Below I pasted some extracts from background emailing about the subject >>>> in case anyone interested in reading. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards and blessings, >>>> >>>> Laura V >>>> >>>> >>>> 2017-08-05 19:31 GMT-05:00 Caryl Bigenho <cbige...@hotmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> Hi All... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> There was (and still seems to be) a lot of confusion regarding the >>>>> topic of a treasurer's report. I think the main problem is that most of >>>>> you >>>>> are thinking of the SugarLabs "Books" (a big ledger will all the personal >>>>> identifying information Adam was referring to) instead of a simple >>>>> "Treasurers Report" which just includes the pertinent information without >>>>> all the identifying details. The former, the "books," should be available >>>>> to the SLOBs on request on a view only basis as mentioned elsewhere in >>>>> this >>>>> thread. The latter, the Treasurer's Report, should be available to all >>>>> Sugar Labs members and other interested parties as appropriate. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maybe it is all the years I have spent in many types of organizations >>>>> (4H, Girl Scouts, homeowner's organizations, teacher's orgs, Sierra Club >>>>> groups, etc.) that make this seem very familiar, simple, and >>>>> straightforward. Hopefully the information below can help make it work >>>>> well >>>>> for Sugar Labs as well. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A quick Google search turns up this list of criteria for a simple >>>>> monthly treasurer's report. It says it should include: >>>>> >>>>> 1. the name of the organization. >>>>> 2. the period which the report covers. >>>>> 3. the cash balance at the beginning of the period. >>>>> 4. the income received during the period (with sources) >>>>> 5. the expenses paid during the period (with what it was for and >>>>> who was paid ... name only, no PII). >>>>> 6. the cash balance at the end of the period. >>>>> 7. the signature of the treasurer. >>>>> >>>>> Another easy to follow resource is this description of how to put such >>>>> a report together: https://www.energizeinc.com/art/treasurers-report >>>>> >>>>> (Note: the sample they refer to in this is missing... you have to buy >>>>> the book to see it!). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday's financial report was very confusing and seeing Adam's >>>>> email just seemed to make it worse. Maybe going forward we can simplify >>>>> and >>>>> we all will know what is happening. Oh, and by the way, there is no need >>>>> to >>>>> make the Income negative and the Expenses positive. This is for us, not >>>>> the >>>>> SFC. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Caryl >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* IAEP <iaep-boun...@lists.sugarlabs.org> on behalf of Tony >>>>> Anderson <tony_ander...@usa.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 5, 2017 1:07:55 AM >>>>> *To:* SLOBs; IAEP SugarLabs >>>>> *Subject:* [IAEP] Meeting August 4, 2017 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am amazed at the discussion on finance. >>>>> >>>>> The governing bylaw is at https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/ >>>>> Oversight_Board/Decisions July 1, 2016. >>>>> Oversight Board/Decisions - Sugar Labs >>>>> <https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/Decisions> >>>>> wiki.sugarlabs.org >>>>> This page (largely complete) is intended to be a one-stop place for >>>>> reviewing all of the Sugar Labs oversight board (SLOB) actions and >>>>> decisions. >>>>> >>>>> Our Finance Manager is Adam Holt. He must authorize every petty cash >>>>> transaction (<$200) and the board must approve all other transactions. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure that in a given quarter, the number of approved transactions >>>>> is less than a dozen. >>>>> >>>>> The quarterly report is the starting balance, transactions reporting >>>>> receipts, transactions reporting expenses, and an ending balance. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect all of this could be could be recorded on fewer than a dozen >>>>> 80 column punched cards. (About 10-6 GB). >>>>> >>>>> Tony >>>>> >>>> >>>> #WeCanDoBetter >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>>> IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SLOBs mailing list >>> sl...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/slobs >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Walter Bender >> Sugar Labs >> http://www.sugarlabs.org >> <http://www.sugarlabs.org> >> > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
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