On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 11:38:36AM -0500, Walter Bender wrote: > On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Hilary Naylor <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I was very surprised to learn that the Ombudsman's ruling is not > > binding. That would certainly make it even harder to find people > > to serve in that role. > > The ruling is binding. What is lacking is any mechanism for > enforcement.
The board could enforce the ruling in some way; by creating a mechanism specific to the ruling. A response team would face the same problem. A change to the terms of membership could be to make membership conditional on accepting a ruling; although the existence of the ombudsman and the board already implied this was an obligation of membership. > > I have a suggestion for a modification to the proposal for a > > Response Team. Rather that a permanent Team, make it a Team that > > is created as the need arises, and that the 3 members are agreed > > to by the persons in dispute, and that both (or all) those in > > dispute agree to abide by the Team's decision. Where should these > > Team members come from? -- All Sugar Labs community members are > > potential Team members by default except for the current SLOBs > > (and SLOBs candidates if there are any). Team members would be > > drawn by random selection, people may opt-out or be rejected by > > one or more of the disputees, and selection continues until there > > are three. > > It sounds like you are proposing a jury of one's peers. But I think > the need goes well beyond making a ruling. There is a good deal of > investigation and mediation that is not typical of the > responsibilities given to a jury. I think that the role of ombudsman > (and/or membership on a Response Team) requires a level of maturity > and experience that would be hard to guarantee in your proposed > approach. It would also take a long time; first to select the jury, then for the jury to communicate. An independent ombudsman already chosen was a faster process design. That the ruling was not enforced is a different issue. -- James Cameron http://quozl.netrek.org/ _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) [email protected] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
